Fwd: Re: budget 2012
At 12:19 05/10/2011 -0300, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
One big point is that the personnel expenses will growing up by 6,3% !?!?! I don't guess that each one will get more money at this amount. But why we need that high increase - more personnel maybe - but why ?? The work at RIPE will be the same as before without needing more personnel because LIR can be waiting without problem like one day longer for some requests too - isn't it ?
General Operating Expenses +10,8% ??? It is a joke not ?
Ask yourself, why no one from RIPE has over the past week added to the discussion here with the reasons and justifications for why they need to increase their budget.
-Hank
Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
Also note that the 9% increased budget is not up for voting. The only thing up for voting is the charging scheme. The 19MEuro budget is fait accompli. -Hank
Am 06.10.2011 05:59, schrieb Hank Nussbacher:
At 12:19 05/10/2011 -0300, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
One big point is that the personnel expenses will growing up by 6,3% !?!?! I don't guess that each one will get more money at this amount. But why we need that high increase - more personnel maybe - but why ?? The work at RIPE will be the same as before without needing more personnel because LIR can be waiting without problem like one day longer for some requests too - isn't it ?
General Operating Expenses +10,8% ??? It is a joke not ?
Ask yourself, why no one from RIPE has over the past week added to the discussion here with the reasons and justifications for why they need to increase their budget.
-Hank
Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
Also note that the 9% increased budget is not up for voting. The only thing up for voting is the charging scheme. The 19MEuro budget is fait accompli.
I don't guess that you don't know that the increased budget is an effect that the charging scheme/fees will increase too ?? Otherwise take a look to the budget over the last years. As some told after 2008 the budget goint to the moon instead of before - special the personnel costs which will make the big point in the budget. Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
-Hank
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The more I hear on the this (and the less I hear from RIPE themselves), the more I think that something is wrong at the heart of RIPE :( I have sadly sat on the sidelines (as have many I think) expecting / trusting RIPE and the members with the resources available to attend the meetings and focus on the regs and do the right thing. Sadly it seems that with both this budget and also 2007-01 my faith and trust has been misplaced :( The question is, without spending a fortune we don't have as a company to send people to Vienna, how do we address this and stop the moon shot before it gets really out of control? Also how do we take 2007-01 and abandon it??? Jon On 6 Oct 2011, at 13:04, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
Am 06.10.2011 05:59, schrieb Hank Nussbacher:
At 12:19 05/10/2011 -0300, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
One big point is that the personnel expenses will growing up by 6,3% !?!?! I don't guess that each one will get more money at this amount. But why we need that high increase - more personnel maybe - but why ?? The work at RIPE will be the same as before without needing more personnel because LIR can be waiting without problem like one day longer for some requests too - isn't it ?
General Operating Expenses +10,8% ??? It is a joke not ?
Ask yourself, why no one from RIPE has over the past week added to the discussion here with the reasons and justifications for why they need to increase their budget.
-Hank
Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
Also note that the 9% increased budget is not up for voting. The only thing up for voting is the charging scheme. The 19MEuro budget is fait accompli.
I don't guess that you don't know that the increased budget is an effect that the charging scheme/fees will increase too ??
Otherwise take a look to the budget over the last years. As some told after 2008 the budget goint to the moon instead of before - special the personnel costs which will make the big point in the budget.
Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
-Hank
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On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 12:20:32PM +0000, Jon Morby wrote:
Also how do we take 2007-01 and abandon it???
That one's easy. Generate a proposal to do away with 2007-01 and see whether it finds consensus. As for the corporate governance, at this AGM the resolutions are open to electronic voting, so no physical presence required. cheers, Sascha Luck
Hi, On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 12:20:32PM +0000, Jon Morby wrote:
Also how do we take 2007-01 and abandon it???
We don't. 2007-01 is working exactly as designed: it stops carelessness with valuable resources. It puts a name and a contract on a resource allocation, so that mis-use and waste can be stopped. I am well aware that people do not like *responsibility*, but that's exactly what 2007-01 is about. (If you want to get it removed, follow the RIPE policy development process - bring up a proposal what to change, and get community consensus that this is indeed the change that the community wants) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Am 06.10.2011 09:20, schrieb Jon Morby:
The more I hear on the this (and the less I hear from RIPE themselves), the more I think that something is wrong at the heart of RIPE :(
I have sadly sat on the sidelines (as have many I think) expecting / trusting RIPE and the members with the resources available to attend the meetings and focus on the regs and do the right thing.
I guess a trust should be - as pointed to RIPE - that they will declare how much people will work for RIPE NCC and in which loan category they are declared because I guess that the "normal NCC worker" don't get an increase of 6% like each year - for me it is more that some "manager" will get much more cash. If it isn't true RIPE can declare the loan scheme to THEIR MEMBERS because we have a right to know that !!!
Sadly it seems that with both this budget and also 2007-01 my faith and trust has been misplaced :(
100% agree - in my mind too if I will take a look to the old budget/balances ;(
The question is, without spending a fortune we don't have as a company to send people to Vienna, how do we address this and stop the moon shot before it gets really out of control?
electronic voting is the key to stop that :)
Also how do we take 2007-01 and abandon it???
don't know. There are some stuff that don't work well @ RIPE NCC like the PI-IPv6 policy. Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
Jon
On 6 Oct 2011, at 13:04, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
Am 06.10.2011 05:59, schrieb Hank Nussbacher:
At 12:19 05/10/2011 -0300, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
One big point is that the personnel expenses will growing up by 6,3% !?!?! I don't guess that each one will get more money at this amount. But why we need that high increase - more personnel maybe - but why ?? The work at RIPE will be the same as before without needing more personnel because LIR can be waiting without problem like one day longer for some requests too - isn't it ?
General Operating Expenses +10,8% ??? It is a joke not ?
Ask yourself, why no one from RIPE has over the past week added to the discussion here with the reasons and justifications for why they need to increase their budget.
-Hank
Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
Also note that the 9% increased budget is not up for voting. The only thing up for voting is the charging scheme. The 19MEuro budget is fait accompli.
I don't guess that you don't know that the increased budget is an effect that the charging scheme/fees will increase too ??
Otherwise take a look to the budget over the last years. As some told after 2008 the budget goint to the moon instead of before - special the personnel costs which will make the big point in the budget.
Best regards, Alexander Schoberl SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
-Hank
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