RE: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
big players that don't adapt go the way of the dinosaur. thats how things work. On Sat, 6 Aug 2011, Redi Tela wrote:
The problem is, big players have lots of IPv4 addresses so they don't care about switching to dual-stack or IPv6. Small LIRs have small networks but nobody cares about their opinion:)
Probably charging more $$ to big players will push them to release not-in-use IPv4 or switch to IPv6
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-admin@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sven Olaf Kamphuis Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:14 PM To: Redi Tela Cc: 'Brandon Butterworth'; jblessing@llnw.com; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: RE: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
there comes a time where you have to ask: are you running a business, or a museum :P keeping ipv4 around just for old times sake... oh well..
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2011, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
Yes, sure, ipv4 will be around for quite a few decades to come, in older packet radio networks, military tactical internet, configuration vlans of older equipment, etc, but it has no future on the internet.
those "few well known sites" is all it takes, really.
eyeballs -> few well known sites
and the rest is pretty much -irrelevant-, and simply will have to follow, or die.
and yes, we have run dual stack for the past few years (triple stack if you consider that we also run X.25 for emergency networks should the internet ever fail due to military intervention or crisis situations ;)
we'd very much like to see the intarrwebz ditch ipv4 however, it has no future, there is no need to develop for it (neither software, nor billing models ;), get over it.
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2011, Redi Tela wrote:
Have you guys tried IPV6 ? IPv4 is not dead at all, it will be here for years. There are only about 6K prefixes and you can only browse just a few 'well-known' sites.
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-admin@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Brandon Butterworth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:22 PM To: jblessing@llnw.com; sven@cb3rob.net Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
regarding the ipv4 address space, we've actually tried to announce some e-class space over the past days, appearantly, most, if not all, routers filter it.
Interesting, but doesn't matter, v4 is dead, get over it (as you eloquently explained previously)
furthermore, we've found a bunch of legacy ranges, which are not announced at all, so if the DoD and IBM would be kind enough to hand them over to ARIN/IANA, that would be appreciated
No, that'd just give people an excuse to put off v6 for even longer.
v6 or die.
don't see why "the prudential insurance company of america" would need an /8, clearly they don't see the point of it themselves either, as they don't announce a single ip out of it :P
You're not allocating it to them so it doesn't matter what point you see.
Back when it may have been of use I agreed, space allocated for non internet use could have been considered a different non overlapping realm and the entire space used on the internet regardless of any private allocations for non internet use. However that wasn't how it was chosen to be done and again it no longer matters as it's history now.
brandon
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