Executive Board Activity Since the RIPE NCC General Meeting

Dear all, We would like to give you an update on the thoughts and decisions of the RIPE NCC Executive Board since the RIPE 63 Meeting and RIPE NCC General Meeting three weeks ago. On Friday, 18 November, the Executive Board met for a teleconference to review the events and discussions that took place during that very busy week. First of all, we were all very pleased by the opportunity to meet so many of our members; we appreciate the lively discussions and see them as a sign that the RIPE NCC membership is very much alive and kicking. Thank you all for your contributions, whether they took place here on the mailing list or at the microphones in Vienna. The main business we conducted during our Board meeting revolved around the Charging Scheme, Budget and Activity Plan for 2012, as you would probably expect. As the proposed Charging Scheme did not find sufficient support, we will use the 2011 Charging Scheme for 2012. Because the 2011 Charging Scheme does not explicitly say that legacy space resources will have no impact on membership fees, the Board has decided to formally waive fees for legacy space resources for the coming year. With a view towards a sustainable and member-supported Charging Scheme, the Board would like to call for a small task force of RIPE NCC members and RIPE NCC staff to work together with Executive Board members on models for such a new Charging Scheme. Axel will work with his staff on a draft charter for this task force. Further to comments made during the General Meeting, we asked Axel to ensure a better alignment between the Activity Plan and Budget structures. On the Budget, having examined our options in order to reduce the effects on the services we offer to members, we have made a reduction in costs of approximately 2%, mainly in the areas of Travel, RIPE meeting organisation and Training efficiency: especially as these were highlighted as suitable areas for economies by the membership. On the income for 2012, we are are now expecting a slight surplus because new members and holders of independent resources will remain a strong source of income. The membership also voted to have the RIPE NCC continue with development of Resource Certification (RPKI) including route object authorisations (ROAs). However the Board recognises that a number of concerns were raised about certification and will ensure that those concerns are taken into account as development goes ahead. You can find the minutes of the Executive Board teleconference at: https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/executive-board/minutes/draft-minutes-... If you have any further questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact us at <exec-board@ripe.net>. Kind regards, Nigel Titley Chairman, Executive Board

* Nigel Titley:
As the proposed Charging Scheme did not find sufficient support, we will use the 2011 Charging Scheme for 2012. Because the 2011 Charging Scheme does not explicitly say that legacy space resources will have no impact on membership fees, the Board has decided to formally waive fees for legacy space resources for the coming year.
Thanks for the update. Is it possible to determine from the RIPE database if a resource is a legacy space resource in the sense of this waiver? -- Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99

At 08:20 30/11/2011 +0000, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Nigel Titley:
As the proposed Charging Scheme did not find sufficient support, we will use the 2011 Charging Scheme for 2012. Because the 2011 Charging Scheme does not explicitly say that legacy space resources will have no impact on membership fees, the Board has decided to formally waive fees for legacy space resources for the coming year.
Thanks for the update.
Is it possible to determine from the RIPE database if a resource is a legacy space resource in the sense of this waiver?
I would have assumed anything with: status: EARLY-REGISTRATION but that is not always the case. -Hank
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Dear Florian, There is no 100% conclusive way to see in the RIPE Database whether prefixes are legacy space under this waiver. There are some ways to see/deduct it in the RIPE Database but that is not complete nor conclusive as the status of these objects has changed many times over the years. Regards, Jochem de Ruig RIPE NCC On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Nigel Titley:
As the proposed Charging Scheme did not find sufficient support, we will use the 2011 Charging Scheme for 2012. Because the 2011 Charging Scheme does not explicitly say that legacy space resources will have no impact on membership fees, the Board has decided to formally waive fees for legacy space resources for the coming year.
Thanks for the update.
Is it possible to determine from the RIPE database if a resource is a legacy space resource in the sense of this waiver?
-- Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99
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* Jochem de Ruig:
There is no 100% conclusive way to see in the RIPE Database whether prefixes are legacy space under this waiver. There are some ways to see/deduct it in the RIPE Database but that is not complete nor conclusive as the status of these objects has changed many times over the years.
Jochem, thanks for the explanation. What's the precise rule, then? Does it apply to resources which have been traded and then converted to PI status? Florian -- Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99

Hi Florian, There has not been a firm rule, this has been a manual process, looking at internal records, archives ( ERX transfer web page, InterNIC/ARIN legacy records, etc ) and comparing those different data sets. In case of doubt further investigation was done on case per case basis. Regards, Jochem On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Jochem de Ruig:
There is no 100% conclusive way to see in the RIPE Database whether prefixes are legacy space under this waiver. There are some ways to see/deduct it in the RIPE Database but that is not complete nor conclusive as the status of these objects has changed many times over the years.
Jochem,
thanks for the explanation. What's the precise rule, then? Does it apply to resources which have been traded and then converted to PI status?
Florian -- Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99
participants (4)
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Florian Weimer
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Hank Nussbacher
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Jochem de Ruig
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Nigel Titley