Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] LIR Account closure? Notify us by 1 December
Dear Henriette, Thank you for this timely notification. I got a question from our community. If an LIR (or multi-LIR) has received their IPv4 network in December 2018 and would like to make a transfer in 2020, they should submit a request with the MyLIR portal no earlier than 731 day after initial allocation, otherwise the system will not allow the transfer request. And this mean an invoice for 2021 will be received by the LIR and no transfer will be possible until full payment. Does this situation reflect the reality? Will the LIR carry extra expenses? -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov You wrote Monday, November 16, 2020, 1:38:00 PM:
Dear RIPE NCC members,
We would like to inform you that a request to close an LIR account or any request that will result in the closure of an LIR account should be submitted in full before 1 December 2020. This includes closures that result from policy transfers and changes in business structures. Any requests submitted after this date mean that you could be invoiced for 2021.
The request should contain all the requested information and documents in order for the RIPE NCC to process it before the end of the year. An overview of the required documents can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/requ...
For requests resulting in the closure of an LIR account that are submitted later than 1 December 2020, or requests that are incomplete, we can not guarantee that the LIR account will be closed before 31 December 2020. Invoices for 2021 will be issued for LIR accounts still open on 1 January 2021.
Best Regards,
Henriette van Ingen Registry Services Assistant Manager RIPE NCC
Hi I also want to merge my LIRs but the hold period ends on the 28th of December. So, should I pay for 2021? May be community will cancel this restriction for transfers between accounts of one organisation because there is the wait list to receive a new allocation anyway and this restriction doesn't have sense. пн, 16 нояб. 2020 г., 17:02 Sergey Myasoedov via members-discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net>:
Dear Henriette,
Thank you for this timely notification.
I got a question from our community. If an LIR (or multi-LIR) has received their IPv4 network in December 2018 and would like to make a transfer in 2020, they should submit a request with the MyLIR portal no earlier than 731 day after initial allocation, otherwise the system will not allow the transfer request. And this mean an invoice for 2021 will be received by the LIR and no transfer will be possible until full payment. Does this situation reflect the reality? Will the LIR carry extra expenses?
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
You wrote Monday, November 16, 2020, 1:38:00 PM:
Dear RIPE NCC members,
We would like to inform you that a request to close an LIR account or any request that will result in the closure of an LIR account should be submitted in full before 1 December 2020. This includes closures that result from policy transfers and changes in business structures. Any requests submitted after this date mean that you could be invoiced for 2021.
The request should contain all the requested information and documents in order for the RIPE NCC to process it before the end of the year. An overview of the required documents can be found at:
https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/requ...
For requests resulting in the closure of an LIR account that are submitted later than 1 December 2020, or requests that are incomplete, we can not guarantee that the LIR account will be closed before 31 December 2020. Invoices for 2021 will be issued for LIR accounts still open on 1 January 2021.
Best Regards,
Henriette van Ingen Registry Services Assistant Manager RIPE NCC
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I also doubt that its legal, that it depends on the working-speed of RIPE itself if you need to pay a new year or not. Even if I send the closure-request on 31. December 23:45 o clock, then my request is done in the last year and every judge will agree. Its not the members problem, if RIPE takes until new year to process the request. Or is there any rule, that me as a member have to accept this process, that it depends on the working-speed and "god-will" to accept my documents, if I need to pay a additional year or not? Anyways the RIPE will send the invoices for the coming year in February or March, so there is still a lot of time for RIPE to exempt LIRs from getting invoiced where a closure process is started before new-year. So I really dont understand the reason why make it such complicated. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Edler Geschäftsinhaber Optimate-Server EM Koddes 1 52531 Übach-Palenberg Germany Tel.: 06104 / 9722141 Fax: 06104 / 9722142 Mobil: 0177 / 83 55 499 eMail: medler@optimate-server.de Internet: http://www.optimate-server.de Am 16.11.20 um 16:09 schrieb Aleksey Bulgakov:
Hi
I also want to merge my LIRs but the hold period ends on the 28th of December. So, should I pay for 2021? May be community will cancel this restriction for transfers between accounts of one organisation because there is the wait list to receive a new allocation anyway and this restriction doesn't have sense.
пн, 16 нояб. 2020 г., 17:02 Sergey Myasoedov via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>:
Dear Henriette,
Thank you for this timely notification.
I got a question from our community. If an LIR (or multi-LIR) has received their IPv4 network in December 2018 and would like to make a transfer in 2020, they should submit a request with the MyLIR portal no earlier than 731 day after initial allocation, otherwise the system will not allow the transfer request. And this mean an invoice for 2021 will be received by the LIR and no transfer will be possible until full payment. Does this situation reflect the reality? Will the LIR carry extra expenses?
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
You wrote Monday, November 16, 2020, 1:38:00 PM:
> Dear RIPE NCC members,
> We would like to inform you that a request to close an LIR account > or any request that will result in the closure of an LIR account > should be submitted in full before 1 December 2020. This includes > closures that result from policy transfers and changes in business > structures. Any requests submitted after this date mean that you could be invoiced for 2021.
> The request should contain all the requested information and > documents in order for the RIPE NCC to process it before the end of > the year. An overview of the required documents can be found at: > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/requ...
> For requests resulting in the closure of an LIR account that are > submitted later than 1 December 2020, or requests that are > incomplete, we can not guarantee that the LIR account will be closed > before 31 December 2020. Invoices for 2021 will be issued for LIR > accounts still open on 1 January 2021.
> Best Regards,
> Henriette van Ingen > Registry Services Assistant Manager > RIPE NCC
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Dear members, Thank you for your comments. Based on your input, we have reviewed our procedures and we can address your concerns. Any valid request made before the end of 2020 to close an LIR account will mean that the account in question will not be charged in 2021. Policy transfers and changes in business structure that lead to the closure of an LIR account will also not be charged in 2021 provided the request is made to us with all necessary information before the end of the year and the intention to close the account is confirmed to us in our follow-up communication to the request. With policy transfers, the resources must be transferable at the time of the request. Automated invoices will be corrected for valid requests processed after 31 December 2020. But we kindly ask you to complete closure requests, policy transfers and notifications of changes in business structure in time so we avoid sending the automated invoice in Q1 2021. This reduces unnecessary administrative burden for ourselves and for members. We will communicate this information to all members. If you still need any further information, do not hesitate to contact us at <ncc@ripe.net <mailto:ncc@ripe.net>>. Kind regards, Henriette van Ingen Registry Services Assistant Manager RIPE NCC
On 16 Nov 2020, at 16:28, Marcel Edler (Optimate-Server.de) <medler@optimate-server.de> wrote:
I also doubt that its legal, that it depends on the working-speed of RIPE itself if you need to pay a new year or not. Even if I send the closure-request on 31. December 23:45 o clock, then my request is done in the last year and every judge will agree. Its not the members problem, if RIPE takes until new year to process the request.
Or is there any rule, that me as a member have to accept this process, that it depends on the working-speed and "god-will" to accept my documents, if I need to pay a additional year or not?
Anyways the RIPE will send the invoices for the coming year in February or March, so there is still a lot of time for RIPE to exempt LIRs from getting invoiced where a closure process is started before new-year. So I really dont understand the reason why make it such complicated.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Edler Geschäftsinhaber
Optimate-Server EM Koddes 1 52531 Übach-Palenberg Germany
Tel.: 06104 / 9722141 Fax: 06104 / 9722142 Mobil: 0177 / 83 55 499 eMail: medler@optimate-server.de <mailto:medler@optimate-server.de> Internet: http://www.optimate-server.de <http://www.optimate-server.de/> Am 16.11.20 um 16:09 schrieb Aleksey Bulgakov:
Hi
I also want to merge my LIRs but the hold period ends on the 28th of December. So, should I pay for 2021? May be community will cancel this restriction for transfers between accounts of one organisation because there is the wait list to receive a new allocation anyway and this restriction doesn't have sense.
пн, 16 нояб. 2020 г., 17:02 Sergey Myasoedov via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>: Dear Henriette,
Thank you for this timely notification.
I got a question from our community. If an LIR (or multi-LIR) has received their IPv4 network in December 2018 and would like to make a transfer in 2020, they should submit a request with the MyLIR portal no earlier than 731 day after initial allocation, otherwise the system will not allow the transfer request. And this mean an invoice for 2021 will be received by the LIR and no transfer will be possible until full payment. Does this situation reflect the reality? Will the LIR carry extra expenses?
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
You wrote Monday, November 16, 2020, 1:38:00 PM:
Dear RIPE NCC members,
We would like to inform you that a request to close an LIR account or any request that will result in the closure of an LIR account should be submitted in full before 1 December 2020. This includes closures that result from policy transfers and changes in business structures. Any requests submitted after this date mean that you could be invoiced for 2021.
The request should contain all the requested information and documents in order for the RIPE NCC to process it before the end of the year. An overview of the required documents can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/requ... <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/required-documents-for-registry-updates>
For requests resulting in the closure of an LIR account that are submitted later than 1 December 2020, or requests that are incomplete, we can not guarantee that the LIR account will be closed before 31 December 2020. Invoices for 2021 will be issued for LIR accounts still open on 1 January 2021.
Best Regards,
Henriette van Ingen Registry Services Assistant Manager RIPE NCC
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Sergey Myasoedov