Re: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012072401002498] Top 20 LIRs use 33% Allocated PA, 88% of LIRs use 10% Allocated PA.
On 2 Aug 2012, at 16:36, Rob Golding <rob.golding@othellotech.net<mailto:rob.golding@othellotech.net>> wrote: My objection isn't even on the current method if "sizing", but on the 7% budget increase, when .... 541,000 on RPKI for a "routing database" because (apparantly) people dont trust the existing database (which costs 844,000) - and hasnt the project been canned anyway ? 427,000 on "outreach" - it's a RIR - what advertising does it need to do ? 989,000 on measurement - presumably the usb "dongles" project - why exactly are we wasting members money on this ? Simply junking those items and you've saved nearly 15% for a start agreed 100% Jon -- Jon Morby FidoNet - the internet made simple! 10 - 16 Tiller Road, London, E14 8PX tel: 0845 004 3050 / fax: 0845 004 3051
On 10/08/2012 17:34, Jon Morby wrote:
On 2 Aug 2012, at 16:36, Rob Golding <rob.golding@othellotech.net <mailto:rob.golding@othellotech.net>> wrote:
My objection isn't even on the current method if "sizing", but on the 7% budget increase, when ....
541,000 on RPKI for a "routing database" because (apparantly) people dont trust the existing database (which costs 844,000) - and hasnt the project been canned anyway ?
427,000 on "outreach" - it's a RIR - what advertising does it need to do ?
It's not advertising. RIPE NCC doesn't advertise. But it does do a lot of work (as do the other RIRs) on explaining to Govts and other bodies
No it hasn't been canned. It was approved by the membership (by a fairly narrow margin) at the last GM. that the internet works quite well as it does and that the whole thing shouldn't be handed over to the ITU (which is a serious threat, although less serious than it was, largely due to the work that RIPE et al have been doing). This is what is meant by "outreach".
989,000 on measurement - presumably the usb "dongles" project - why exactly are we wasting members money on this ?
Because the members seem to want it. If the members come out in large numbers and tell them not to do it then it will stop.
Simply junking those items and you've saved nearly 15% for a start
agreed 100%
However, note that although the budget has increased by 7%, the spending per member (adjusted by the rate of inflation) has actually decreased, as the number of members has risen. Nigel
Hello everyone, I still want my free-for-every-LIR access to NRTM of RIPE DB; hopefully so do other LIRs. How do I make it happen without attending GM? Can this be made into one of the polls? Kind regards, Pawel Tyll.
On 24/08/2012 16:40, Pawel Tyll wrote:
Hello everyone,
I still want my free-for-every-LIR access to NRTM of RIPE DB; hopefully so do other LIRs. How do I make it happen without attending GM? Can this be made into one of the polls? Could I suggest you raise it in the NCC-services WG as well as here? Might be a good place to gain some support
Nigel
Kind regards,
Pawel Tyll.
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I agree with you -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nigel Titley Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:54 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] NRTM free access for every LIR. On 24/08/2012 16:40, Pawel Tyll wrote:
Hello everyone,
I still want my free-for-every-LIR access to NRTM of RIPE DB; hopefully so do other LIRs. How do I make it happen without attending GM? Can this be made into one of the polls? Could I suggest you raise it in the NCC-services WG as well as here? Might be a good place to gain some support
Nigel
Kind regards,
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 10/08/2012 17:34, Jon Morby wrote:
989,000 on measurement - presumably the usb "dongles" project - why exactly are we wasting members money on this ?
Because the members seem to want it. If the members come out in large numbers and tell them not to do it then it will stop.
My view of this is that we have been vaguely aware of this business but we have had no idea of who started it, the budget, the goals etc. When were the members asked? I think measurement could be a good idea but absolutely not the way it has been going on during the last few years. There has to be a clear connection to a working group, goals decided by the members, an obvious budget for each project etc. And I don't think it has to be the RIPE NCC perform all the measurements every time. There might be other solutions. Best Regards, Daniel Stolpe _________________________________________________________________________________ Daniel Stolpe Tel: 08 - 688 11 81 stolpe@resilans.se Resilans AB Fax: 08 - 55 00 21 63 http://www.resilans.se/ Box 13 054 556741-1193 103 02 Stockholm ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
On 24/08/2012 16:41, Daniel Stolpe wrote:
My view of this is that we have been vaguely aware of this business but we have had no idea of who started it, the budget, the goals etc. When were the members asked?
I think measurement could be a good idea but absolutely not the way it has been going on during the last few years.
There has to be a clear connection to a working group, goals decided by the members, an obvious budget for each project etc. And I don't think it has to be the RIPE NCC perform all the measurements every time. There might be other solutions.
Indeed. And the best place to discuss this would be the MAT working group. Nigel
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