HI all, Why ripe is not doing re-evaluation for large IP spaces and take back from LIRs if they are not using them to stop this IP market ? Regards . MTNIrancell Mail Disclaimer available at: http://www.irancell.ir/maildisclaimer
On Dec 16, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Sajjad Najafi Zadeh [ MTNIrancell ] <sajjad.n@mtnirancell.ir> wrote:
HI all,
Why ripe is not doing re-evaluation for large IP spaces and take back from LIRs if they are not using them to stop this IP market ?
Because re-evaluation would be a long, complex and costly process. On the other side having the membership fee depending in a substantial way on the amount of allocated address space would force LIRs to optimise their usage spontaneously. A.
Hi, On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:10:09AM +0000, Sajjad Najafi Zadeh [ MTNIrancell ] wrote:
Why ripe is not doing re-evaluation for large IP spaces and take back from LIRs if they are not using them to stop this IP market ?
As explained, the address policy framework has no provisions for "taking back" allocations. So: the RIPE NCC *cannot* do that. Even if the policy framework would be changed today, it would be doubtful whether that can be applied retroactively. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
* Sajjad Najafi Zadeh [ MTNIrancell ]
Why ripe is not doing re-evaluation for large IP spaces and take back from LIRs if they are not using them to stop this IP market ?
Because it completely fails a cost-benefit analysis, for starters. 1) High Cost: 1.1) It would be delusional to think that the LIRs in question would be willingly give up their space (they can already do so). Expect long and hard court battles. Are you willing to foot the bill for such an endeavour? I certainly am not. 1.2) Tasking the RIPE NCC with this role would do irreparable damage to its reputation. Today, the NCC is a well liked and respected organisation. Do we really want to transform them into a universally detested "IPv4 Police"? 2) Minimal Benefit: 2.1) Even if the NCC was successful in reclaiming any IPv4 space, it all will go into the "last /8" pool. This means reclaiming unused space will not make it actually be any more used than before, it just goes into "NCC storage". It might end up being used 10-15 years from now, once the "last /8" pool we already have has been depleted, but it will not provide immediate relief for anyone. 2.2) Even if the "last /8 policy" was repealed, any reclaimed space would go out the door almost instantly. It would be delusional to think that enough space could be reclaimed in a short enough time to enable us to resume operating like we did prior to September 2012. At best, a few LIRs would get lucky, most would not.
please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view
404, for anyone who cares to fix. Tore
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Andrea Cocito -
Gert Doering -
Sajjad Najafi Zadeh [ MTNIrancell ] -
Tore Anderson