Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
Hello, - the issue is not about selling ips on our side. - merge two different entities together after 10+ years. In legal wise, if you terminate a contract earlier than the agreed period of time, there is normally a penalty fee. Not pushing hard to make annual payment. The issue is not about money wise on my side. Just trying to learn what you think, and I respect each and every answer of you. Thanks. On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:49, Mark Scholten <info@mscholten.eu> wrote: Hello, Maybe they should make an exception if you return at least a /22 IPv4 (or whatever direct allocation you did get from RIPE NCC). That way it would help to reduce the waiting list a bit. If you are going to sell the /22 I don't see a reason to make it cheaper. Also I believe RIPE NCC warns early enough for this (by the end of the previous year). Regards, Mark From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 16:41 To: Ali Vargonen Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I think it is fair because pretty much the only members it affects are entities with multiple memberships which should not be able to get LIRs even cheaper. - Cynthia On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:15 PM Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com<mailto:ali@vargonen.com>> wrote: Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re
Hello all, In my opinion it is fair! You are a business and always go forward through planes! So when you planned to terminate it why you didn’t terminate on last 31 of December! This is not a game where you can decide to close in now and don’t play it anymore, and you close it! Regards, [VIG] Ilir DAKA IT Department System & Network Administrator ilir.daka@vig.al<mailto:ilir.daka@vig.al> [cid:image002.png@01D3C5A5.71097FC0] Dritan Hoxha St. No.39/1 Tirana, Albania Mobile: +355 67 6046519 www.vig.al<http://www.vig.al/> *Disclaimer:* “This email is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. This email, or any document contained herein, does not constitute a contract, unless signed by the parties indicated in the document (contract), or unless expressly stated in this email or in the document (contract) that a written form of contract is not required. Unauthorized distribution, modification or disclosure of its contents is unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by return email. Please then delete the email from your system and do not copy it or disclose its contents to any person. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of email transmission. This email is deemed to be professional in nature. Accordingly, this email and any reply to it may be read by the sender’s employer or principal in order to ensure the continuity of work-related activities and allow supervision thereof. Notwithstanding the foregoing, information, opinions or conclusions contained in this email that do not relate to the official business of the sender’s employer or principal will be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the employer or principal.” From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Ali Vargonen Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 17:32 To: Mark Scholten <info@mscholten.eu> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, - the issue is not about selling ips on our side. - merge two different entities together after 10+ years. In legal wise, if you terminate a contract earlier than the agreed period of time, there is normally a penalty fee. Not pushing hard to make annual payment. The issue is not about money wise on my side. Just trying to learn what you think, and I respect each and every answer of you. Thanks. On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:49, Mark Scholten <info@mscholten.eu<mailto:info@mscholten.eu>> wrote: Hello, Maybe they should make an exception if you return at least a /22 IPv4 (or whatever direct allocation you did get from RIPE NCC). That way it would help to reduce the waiting list a bit. If you are going to sell the /22 I don't see a reason to make it cheaper. Also I believe RIPE NCC warns early enough for this (by the end of the previous year). Regards, Mark From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 16:41 To: Ali Vargonen Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I think it is fair because pretty much the only members it affects are entities with multiple memberships which should not be able to get LIRs even cheaper. - Cynthia On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:15 PM Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com<mailto:ali@vargonen.com>> wrote: Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re
Hello, Thanks for sharing for your opinion. But I don’t understand the reason to use ! :) saying it’s not fair is easy to understand. Also you are forecasting that we planned to terminate without knowledge, I prefer to have the information / knowledge first and then judge something. Also nobody said it’s a game , just asking your opinion. And while providing your opinion its better to share it make people think about it, instead of using strong verbal skills. Thanks. On 24 Feb 2020, at 19:41, Ilir Daka <ilir.daka@vig.al> wrote: Hello all, In my opinion it is fair! You are a business and always go forward through planes! So when you planned to terminate it why you didn’t terminate on last 31 of December! This is not a game where you can decide to close in now and don’t play it anymore, and you close it! Regards, <image001.png> Ilir DAKA IT Department System & Network Administrator ilir.daka@vig.al<mailto:ilir.daka@vig.al> <image002.png> Dritan Hoxha St. No.39/1 Tirana, Albania Mobile: +355 67 6046519 www.vig.al<http://www.vig.al/> *Disclaimer:* “This email is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. This email, or any document contained herein, does not constitute a contract, unless signed by the parties indicated in the document (contract), or unless expressly stated in this email or in the document (contract) that a written form of contract is not required. Unauthorized distribution, modification or disclosure of its contents is unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by return email. Please then delete the email from your system and do not copy it or disclose its contents to any person. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of email transmission. This email is deemed to be professional in nature. Accordingly, this email and any reply to it may be read by the sender’s employer or principal in order to ensure the continuity of work-related activities and allow supervision thereof. Notwithstanding the foregoing, information, opinions or conclusions contained in this email that do not relate to the official business of the sender’s employer or principal will be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the employer or principal.” From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Ali Vargonen Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 17:32 To: Mark Scholten <info@mscholten.eu> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, - the issue is not about selling ips on our side. - merge two different entities together after 10+ years. In legal wise, if you terminate a contract earlier than the agreed period of time, there is normally a penalty fee. Not pushing hard to make annual payment. The issue is not about money wise on my side. Just trying to learn what you think, and I respect each and every answer of you. Thanks. On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:49, Mark Scholten <info@mscholten.eu<mailto:info@mscholten.eu>> wrote: Hello, Maybe they should make an exception if you return at least a /22 IPv4 (or whatever direct allocation you did get from RIPE NCC). That way it would help to reduce the waiting list a bit. If you are going to sell the /22 I don't see a reason to make it cheaper. Also I believe RIPE NCC warns early enough for this (by the end of the previous year). Regards, Mark From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 16:41 To: Ali Vargonen Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I think it is fair because pretty much the only members it affects are entities with multiple memberships which should not be able to get LIRs even cheaper. - Cynthia On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:15 PM Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com<mailto:ali@vargonen.com>> wrote: Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ali%40vargonen.com
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