Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme and ASNs
On 02/04/2015 15:09, Nigel Titley wrote:
There will therefore be two resolutions on charging at the GM:
- Members will be asked to vote to approve or reject the Charging Scheme 2016 that was published on 24 March: https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/may-2015/supporting-documents
- Members will also be asked to vote to approve or reject a resolution that would instantiate a EUR 50 charge per ASN
Nigel, thanks for bringing this in as a voting item on the agenda. I believe this to be the best way to resolve the issue in the long term. There are ~27000 asns assigned by the RIPE NCC. Assuming a €50 annual charge, this will raise additional revenue of approx. €1.3m or around €120 per LIR. If the NCC membership votes in favour of a charge for ASNs, could you clarify whether this additional revenue will be: 1. used to drop the 2016 LIR charge from €1400 to around the €1300 mark, 2. retained as a surplus by the RIPE NCC, 3. returned to the membership by way of a future credit, as outlined in the last GM, or 4. something else. thanks, Nick
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 05:17:25PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 02/04/2015 15:09, Nigel Titley wrote:
- Members will also be asked to vote to approve or reject a resolution that would instantiate a EUR 50 charge per ASN
Nigel, thanks for bringing this in as a voting item on the agenda. I believe this to be the best way to resolve the issue in the long term.
Will this be "EUR50 in this CS" or ASN charge forever? rgds, Sascha Luck
Hi, On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 05:39:52PM +0100, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
Will this be "EUR50 in this CS" or ASN charge forever?
Your sentence does not parse for me... But I applaud Nigel for taking this up as an *individual item* to vote on. Previously, this was always mixed into "either keep the old scheme or take the new one that changes <lots of things>", but the members never explicitely decided on just this single item. Whatever comes out of this, I think we have very clear guidance what the members want afterwards, and can then return to build address policy that achieves the goals set by the AP community, in the monetary framework set by the members. Gert Doering -- LIR *and* member of the community -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On 02/04/15 17:17, Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 02/04/2015 15:09, Nigel Titley wrote:
There will therefore be two resolutions on charging at the GM:
- Members will be asked to vote to approve or reject the Charging Scheme 2016 that was published on 24 March: https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/may-2015/supporting-documents
- Members will also be asked to vote to approve or reject a resolution that would instantiate a EUR 50 charge per ASN Nigel, thanks for bringing this in as a voting item on the agenda. I believe this to be the best way to resolve the issue in the long term.
There are ~27000 asns assigned by the RIPE NCC. Assuming a €50 annual charge, this will raise additional revenue of approx. €1.3m or around €120 per LIR. Yes, this has not escaped the notice of the board.
If the NCC membership votes in favour of a charge for ASNs, could you clarify whether this additional revenue will be:
1. used to drop the 2016 LIR charge from €1400 to around the €1300 mark,
2. retained as a surplus by the RIPE NCC,
3. returned to the membership by way of a future credit, as outlined in the last GM, or
4. something else. As outlined at the last GM, the members will vote on whether to return a surplus to themselves (and not pay corporation tax) or to move it to the clearing house, paying tax on it.
Nigel
participants (4)
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Gert Doering -
Nick Hilliard -
Nigel Titley -
Sascha Luck [ml]