Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] Board Resolution to Suspend Creation of Multiple LIR Accounts
Of course there were not any notifications. I suppose, that main reason to run with such decision so fast is the fact, that somebody during GM just asked to open simultaneously for example 64 LIRs to get /16 equivalent in one shot. Expensive, but plausible. -- Tomasz Śląski pl.skonet W dniu 2015-11-19 o 14:44, Aleksey Bulgakov pisze:
I think it is reasonable to hold this decision for 2 weeks. Many companies planned their work and they cannot make any changes in their work so fast. There were not any notifications.
-- Kind regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO 7 926 6908729
14:58, 19 ноября 2015 г., "Sascha Luck [ml]" <ripe-md@c4inet.net>:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 01:19:41PM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Took 7 years: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2008-December/0039... Now lets see how they solve the problem.
That problem was solved in 2012 via a change in AoA. This is a different discussion.
rgds, Sascha Luck
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LOL. Multiply LIR registration looks like RIPE NCC sell IPv4 for 3 EUR. Great!!!! ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.68.0|1024|20151113|allocated ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.72.0|1024|20151113|allocated ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.76.0|1024|20151113|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.244.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.248.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.252.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.0.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.4.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.8.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.12.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.16.0|1024|20151111|allocated
On 19 Nov 2015, at 15:31, Tomasz Śląski SKONET <tomasz.slaski@skonet.pl> wrote:
Of course there were not any notifications. I suppose, that main reason to run with such decision so fast is the fact, that somebody during GM just asked to open simultaneously for example 64 LIRs to get /16 equivalent in one shot. Expensive, but plausible.
-- Tomasz Śląski pl.skonet
W dniu 2015-11-19 o 14:44, Aleksey Bulgakov pisze:
I think it is reasonable to hold this decision for 2 weeks. Many companies planned their work and they cannot make any changes in their work so fast. There were not any notifications.
-- Kind regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO 7 926 6908729
14:58, 19 ноября 2015 г., "Sascha Luck [ml]" <ripe-md@c4inet.net>:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 01:19:41PM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Took 7 years: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2008-December/0039... Now lets see how they solve the problem.
That problem was solved in 2012 via a change in AoA. This is a different discussion.
rgds, Sascha Luck
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How will NCC earn money without multiple LIR accounts? Did NCC think about it? :) ----- Best regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO Tel.: +7 926 6908729 19.11.2015, 18:11, "Andrey Kushnireuski" <ipas.master@gmail.com>:
LOL. Multiply LIR registration looks like RIPE NCC sell IPv4 for 3 EUR. Great!!!!
ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.68.0|1024|20151113|allocated ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.72.0|1024|20151113|allocated ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.76.0|1024|20151113|allocated
ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.244.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.248.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.252.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.0.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.4.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.8.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.12.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.16.0|1024|20151111|allocated
On 19 Nov 2015, at 15:31, Tomasz Śląski SKONET <tomasz.slaski@skonet.pl> wrote:
Of course there were not any notifications. I suppose, that main reason to run with such decision so fast is the fact, that somebody during GM just asked to open simultaneously for example 64 LIRs to get /16 equivalent in one shot. Expensive, but plausible.
-- Tomasz Śląski pl.skonet
W dniu 2015-11-19 o 14:44, Aleksey Bulgakov pisze:
I think it is reasonable to hold this decision for 2 weeks. Many companies planned their work and they cannot make any changes in their work so fast. There were not any notifications.
-- Kind regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO 7 926 6908729
14:58, 19 ноября 2015 г., "Sascha Luck [ml]" <ripe-md@c4inet.net>:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 01:19:41PM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Took 7 years: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2008-December/0039... Now lets see how they solve the problem.
That problem was solved in 2012 via a change in AoA. This is a different discussion.
rgds, Sascha Luck
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Hi, On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 06:18:56PM +0300, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
How will NCC earn money without multiple LIR accounts? Did NCC think about it? :)
The NCC has a very solid financial basis based on the existing members, so do not worry about this. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
So let's cancel 2015-01. It hasn't any affect IPv4 exhausion because of Board Resolution to Suspend Creation of Multiple LIR Accounts. ----- Best regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO Tel.: +7 926 6908729 19.11.2015, 18:23, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 06:18:56PM +0300, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
How will NCC earn money without multiple LIR accounts? Did NCC think about it? :)
The NCC has a very solid financial basis based on the existing members, so do not worry about this.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi, On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 06:32:18PM +0300, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
So let's cancel 2015-01. It hasn't any affect IPv4 exhausion because of Board Resolution to Suspend Creation of Multiple LIR Accounts.
Both measures together seem to have the desired effect. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
What exactly desired effect? Some one told that IPv4 burning will help to move to IPv6. But we see inverse. ----- Best regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO Tel.: +7 926 6908729 19.11.2015, 19:28, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 06:32:18PM +0300, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
So let's cancel 2015-01. It hasn't any affect IPv4 exhausion because of Board Resolution to Suspend Creation of Multiple LIR Accounts.
Both measures together seem to have the desired effect.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On 19/11/2015 17:18, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
How will NCC earn money without multiple LIR accounts? Did NCC think about it? :) NCC did indeed think about it... :-)
Nigel
Hello, All this is *obviously* not working. for X in `jot 10` ; do whois -h whois.ripe.net ORG-PTEC${X}-RIPE ; done In my humble opinion until a "per exhaustable resource usage" fee is set up, such that who has zillions of unused IPv4 addresses pays willions euros any attempt to reasonably contain resource misuse ends up in comic situations. It has been said many times, and still remains ignored (no, the issue of "If RIPE sells IP addresses becomes a commercial entity" is not a good reason: first of all we had per-usage fees since always, secondly right NOW in THIS way RIPE is, de facto, selling IPv4 addresses, at the price of 3 euro each). A. On Nov 19, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Andrey Kushnireuski <ipas.master@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL. Multiply LIR registration looks like RIPE NCC sell IPv4 for 3 EUR. Great!!!!
ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.68.0|1024|20151113|allocated ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.72.0|1024|20151113|allocated ripencc|RO|ipv4|185.126.76.0|1024|20151113|allocated
ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.244.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.248.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.125.252.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.0.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.4.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.8.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.12.0|1024|20151111|allocated ripencc|IR|ipv4|185.126.16.0|1024|20151111|allocated
On 19 Nov 2015, at 15:31, Tomasz Śląski SKONET <tomasz.slaski@skonet.pl> wrote:
Of course there were not any notifications. I suppose, that main reason to run with such decision so fast is the fact, that somebody during GM just asked to open simultaneously for example 64 LIRs to get /16 equivalent in one shot. Expensive, but plausible.
-- Tomasz Śląski pl.skonet
W dniu 2015-11-19 o 14:44, Aleksey Bulgakov pisze:
I think it is reasonable to hold this decision for 2 weeks. Many companies planned their work and they cannot make any changes in their work so fast. There were not any notifications.
-- Kind regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO 7 926 6908729
14:58, 19 ноября 2015 г., "Sascha Luck [ml]" <ripe-md@c4inet.net>:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 01:19:41PM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Took 7 years: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2008-December/0039... Now lets see how they solve the problem.
That problem was solved in 2012 via a change in AoA. This is a different discussion.
rgds, Sascha Luck
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Aleksey Bulgakov -
Andrea Cocito -
Andrey Kushnireuski -
Gert Doering -
Nigel Titley -
Tomasz Śląski SKONET