No Resource Transfers Allowed in January?
Hi Members, We've hit a kafkaesque bug with the RIPE NCC's policies, and I was wondering if anyone else has run into it? We've had a resource transfer request blocked until the 2026 membership fees are all paid up, the 2026 membership fees for which the invoices have not yet been generated or sent out yet......... This requirement is not specified in the Transfer Policy, but it is mentioned in the 2026 Billing Procedure. Do we think this requirement—effectively restricting transfers during the month of January—is sane and I just need to be more patient, or does it require a policy update or maybe just for a bit of common sense to be applied when requests are processed? -Rich Information in this email including any attachments may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communication through our internal and external networks. SKY and the SKY marks are trademarks of Sky Limited and Sky International AG and are used under licence. Sky UK Limited (Registration No. 2906991), Sky-In-Home Service Limited (Registration No. 2067075), Sky Subscribers Services Limited (Registration No. 2340150) and Sky CP Limited (Registration No. 9513259) are direct or indirect subsidiaries of Sky Limited (Registration No. 2247735). All of the companies mentioned in this paragraph are incorporated in England and Wales and share the same registered office at Grant Way, Isleworth, Middlesex TW7 5QD
Hi Rich, I had the same situation and chose to be patient. I think the current policy is unnecessary; I have no issue with requiring that all invoices be paid, but I would suggest changing the wording to require that all sent invoices must be paid. With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groet, Casper Gondelach From: Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Sent: maandag 12 januari 2026 15:31 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] No Resource Transfers Allowed in January? Hi Members, We've hit a kafkaesque bug with the RIPE NCC's policies, and I was wondering if anyone else has run into it? We've had a resource transfer request blocked until the 2026 membership fees are all paid up, the 2026 membership fees for which the invoices have not yet been generated or sent out yet......... This requirement is not specified in the Transfer Policy, but it is mentioned in the 2026 Billing Procedure. Do we think this requirement-effectively restricting transfers during the month of January-is sane and I just need to be more patient, or does it require a policy update or maybe just for a bit of common sense to be applied when requests are processed? -Rich Information in this email including any attachments may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communication through our internal and external networks. SKY and the SKY marks are trademarks of Sky Limited and Sky International AG and are used under licence. Sky UK Limited (Registration No. 2906991), Sky-In-Home Service Limited (Registration No. 2067075), Sky Subscribers Services Limited (Registration No. 2340150) and Sky CP Limited (Registration No. 9513259) are direct or indirect subsidiaries of Sky Limited (Registration No. 2247735). All of the companies mentioned in this paragraph are incorporated in England and Wales and share the same registered office at Grant Way, Isleworth, Middlesex TW7 5QD ******** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******** This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure and it is intended only for the addressees. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that any copying, distribution or other use of information contained in this e-mail (and its attachments) is not allowed. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message (including any attachments) from your system. Please note that e-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be subject of unauthorized interception or other interference without the knowledge of sender or recipient. Eurofiber only sends and receives e-mails on the basis that Eurofiber is not responsible for any such computer viruses, corruption or other interference or any consequences thereof. Eurofiber Nederland B.V. is registered in the Chamber of Commerce of Amsterdam with number 34134377, VAT number NL 8088.51.524 B01. Eurofiber N.V. has its registered office at Belgicastraat 5 bus 7, 1930 Zaventem and is registered under national number 0435.204.851. Eurofiber France SASU has its registered office at 24 rue du Gouverneur G?n?ral Ebou?, 92130 Issy-les-Moulineaux and is registered under the trade and company registry under the number 530.018.639 RCS Nanterre.
Dear Rich, Thank you for your email. Allow me to provide some clarification. You are correct that policy transfers are based on the principles outlined in the RIPE Transfer policies. This is completed by requirements described in RIPE NCC procedures. The RIPE NCC must perform checks for each request, for example for due diligence or if the member has fulfilled all essential obligations. For policy transfers and other changes of holdership of resources registered to a member, one of these obligations is that their annual membership fee has been paid. This is a long-standing practice. The only change this year is that the RIPE NCC no longer issues preliminary annual invoices for members who want to transfer resources before the regular annual invoice is issued. In the past, we did this because the regular invoice was typically issued in February or later, and we wanted to avoid delaying holdership updates. However, this approach created significant administrative overhead, including generating preliminary invoices, reconciling them with the regular invoicing, and later redistributing any excess contribution from the previous financial year to that member. Instead, before the year end, the RIPE NCC focuses on working to ensure all changes of holdership can be facilitated, while issuing the regular annual invoice as early as possible in the new year. This balances the ability to handle the end of year ticket peak and it allows members to pay their annual fee early in the year ensuring timely access to all services that require a paid membership fee. In fact, these invoices have already been issued today to the membership. As soon as your payment has been received, the policy transfer can be completed. So to conclude: we try to balance the ability to handle the end-of-year peak and issuing invoices early in the year to reduce the potential period in which your scenario exists and to reduce our administrative effort that comes with being more flexible. Regards, -- Gabor de Wit Chief Registry Officer | RIPE NCC ---------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 at 15:45, Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi Members,
We've hit a kafkaesque bug with the RIPE NCC's policies, and I was wondering if anyone else has run into it?
We've had a resource transfer request blocked until the 2026 membership fees are all paid up, the 2026 membership fees for which the invoices have not yet been generated or sent out yet.........
This requirement is not specified in the Transfer Policy, but it is mentioned in the 2026 Billing Procedure.
Do we think this requirement—effectively restricting transfers during the month of January—is sane and I just need to be more patient, or does it require a policy update or maybe just for a bit of common sense to be applied when requests are processed?
-Rich
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Hi, This practice is indeed longstanding but it only used to be applied when ALL scarce resources were transferred from a LIR. As long as at least one /24 of ipv4 remained in the account, the transfer was allowed even without payment of the full invoice. I don't know your specific case, but if all ipv4 resources were to be transferred out of your LIR, then yes, the invoice is mandatory to be paid, otherwise you won't have any incentive to pay it anymore. Sampada ________________________________ From: Gabor de Wit <gdewit@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2026 10:13 AM To: Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) <Richard.Patterson@sky.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: No Resource Transfers Allowed in January? Dear Rich, Thank you for your email. Allow me to provide some clarification. You are correct that policy transfers are based on the principles outlined in the RIPE Transfer policies. This is completed by requirements described in RIPE NCC procedures. The RIPE NCC must perform checks for each request, for example for due diligence or if the member has fulfilled all essential obligations. For policy transfers and other changes of holdership of resources registered to a member, one of these obligations is that their annual membership fee has been paid. This is a long-standing practice. The only change this year is that the RIPE NCC no longer issues preliminary annual invoices for members who want to transfer resources before the regular annual invoice is issued. In the past, we did this because the regular invoice was typically issued in February or later, and we wanted to avoid delaying holdership updates. However, this approach created significant administrative overhead, including generating preliminary invoices, reconciling them with the regular invoicing, and later redistributing any excess contribution from the previous financial year to that member. Instead, before the year end, the RIPE NCC focuses on working to ensure all changes of holdership can be facilitated, while issuing the regular annual invoice as early as possible in the new year. This balances the ability to handle the end of year ticket peak and it allows members to pay their annual fee early in the year ensuring timely access to all services that require a paid membership fee. In fact, these invoices have already been issued today to the membership. As soon as your payment has been received, the policy transfer can be completed. So to conclude: we try to balance the ability to handle the end-of-year peak and issuing invoices early in the year to reduce the potential period in which your scenario exists and to reduce our administrative effort that comes with being more flexible. Regards, -- Gabor de Wit Chief Registry Officer | RIPE NCC ---------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 at 15:45, Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> wrote: Hi Members, We've hit a kafkaesque bug with the RIPE NCC's policies, and I was wondering if anyone else has run into it? We've had a resource transfer request blocked until the 2026 membership fees are all paid up, the 2026 membership fees for which the invoices have not yet been generated or sent out yet......... This requirement is not specified in the Transfer Policy, but it is mentioned in the 2026 Billing Procedure. Do we think this requirement—effectively restricting transfers during the month of January—is sane and I just need to be more patient, or does it require a policy update or maybe just for a bit of common sense to be applied when requests are processed? -Rich Information in this email including any attachments may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communication through our internal and external networks. SKY and the SKY marks are trademarks of Sky Limited and Sky International AG and are used under licence. 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My use-case was only a few resources (not all) from one LIR to another LIR owned by the same member. From: Sampada Medsikar <rackspotnoc@outlook.com> Date: Wednesday, 14 January 2026 at 08:17 To: Gabor de Wit <gdewit@ripe.net>, Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) <Richard.Patterson@sky.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [members-discuss] Re: No Resource Transfers Allowed in January? Hi, This practice is indeed longstanding but it only used to be applied when ALL scarce resources were transferred from a LIR. As long as at least one /24 of ipv4 remained in the account, the transfer was allowed even without payment of the full invoice. I don't know your specific case, but if all ipv4 resources were to be transferred out of your LIR, then yes, the invoice is mandatory to be paid, otherwise you won't have any incentive to pay it anymore. Sampada ________________________________ From: Gabor de Wit <gdewit@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2026 10:13 AM To: Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) <Richard.Patterson@sky.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: No Resource Transfers Allowed in January? Dear Rich, Thank you for your email. Allow me to provide some clarification. You are correct that policy transfers are based on the principles outlined in the RIPE Transfer policies. This is completed by requirements described in RIPE NCC procedures. The RIPE NCC must perform checks for each request, for example for due diligence or if the member has fulfilled all essential obligations. For policy transfers and other changes of holdership of resources registered to a member, one of these obligations is that their annual membership fee has been paid. This is a long-standing practice. The only change this year is that the RIPE NCC no longer issues preliminary annual invoices for members who want to transfer resources before the regular annual invoice is issued. In the past, we did this because the regular invoice was typically issued in February or later, and we wanted to avoid delaying holdership updates. However, this approach created significant administrative overhead, including generating preliminary invoices, reconciling them with the regular invoicing, and later redistributing any excess contribution from the previous financial year to that member. Instead, before the year end, the RIPE NCC focuses on working to ensure all changes of holdership can be facilitated, while issuing the regular annual invoice as early as possible in the new year. This balances the ability to handle the end of year ticket peak and it allows members to pay their annual fee early in the year ensuring timely access to all services that require a paid membership fee. In fact, these invoices have already been issued today to the membership. As soon as your payment has been received, the policy transfer can be completed. So to conclude: we try to balance the ability to handle the end-of-year peak and issuing invoices early in the year to reduce the potential period in which your scenario exists and to reduce our administrative effort that comes with being more flexible. Regards, -- Gabor de Wit Chief Registry Officer | RIPE NCC ---------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 at 15:45, Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> wrote: Hi Members, We've hit a kafkaesque bug with the RIPE NCC's policies, and I was wondering if anyone else has run into it? We've had a resource transfer request blocked until the 2026 membership fees are all paid up, the 2026 membership fees for which the invoices have not yet been generated or sent out yet......... This requirement is not specified in the Transfer Policy, but it is mentioned in the 2026 Billing Procedure. Do we think this requirement—effectively restricting transfers during the month of January—is sane and I just need to be more patient, or does it require a policy update or maybe just for a bit of common sense to be applied when requests are processed? -Rich Information in this email including any attachments may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communication through our internal and external networks. 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Hi Gabor, Thanks for the official reply. So it's a well-known existing policy bug, but the workaround (preliminary invoices) has now been removed. The NCC works hard to ensure existing requests are completed before the end-of-year, so the requests don't wrap into the new year and get caught up in the January blackhole, and the invoices are issued as early as possible to minimise the January blackhole; but there a no plans to address the policy wording to fix the root cause of the bug, as suggested by Casper? Like Casper I agree with the spirit of the requirement, but think it's being applied a bit too literally, and we can do better with some minor tweaks. e.g., perhaps specifying "outstanding" or "overdue" invoices. -Rich From: Gabor de Wit <gdewit@ripe.net> Date: Tuesday, 13 January 2026 at 18:06 To: Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) <Richard.Patterson@sky.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [members-discuss] No Resource Transfers Allowed in January? Dear Rich, Thank you for your email. Allow me to provide some clarification. You are correct that policy transfers are based on the principles outlined in the RIPE Transfer policies. This is completed by requirements described in RIPE NCC procedures. The RIPE NCC must perform checks for each request, for example for due diligence or if the member has fulfilled all essential obligations. For policy transfers and other changes of holdership of resources registered to a member, one of these obligations is that their annual membership fee has been paid. This is a long-standing practice. The only change this year is that the RIPE NCC no longer issues preliminary annual invoices for members who want to transfer resources before the regular annual invoice is issued. In the past, we did this because the regular invoice was typically issued in February or later, and we wanted to avoid delaying holdership updates. However, this approach created significant administrative overhead, including generating preliminary invoices, reconciling them with the regular invoicing, and later redistributing any excess contribution from the previous financial year to that member. Instead, before the year end, the RIPE NCC focuses on working to ensure all changes of holdership can be facilitated, while issuing the regular annual invoice as early as possible in the new year. This balances the ability to handle the end of year ticket peak and it allows members to pay their annual fee early in the year ensuring timely access to all services that require a paid membership fee. In fact, these invoices have already been issued today to the membership. As soon as your payment has been received, the policy transfer can be completed. So to conclude: we try to balance the ability to handle the end-of-year peak and issuing invoices early in the year to reduce the potential period in which your scenario exists and to reduce our administrative effort that comes with being more flexible. Regards, -- Gabor de Wit Chief Registry Officer | RIPE NCC ---------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 at 15:45, Patterson, Richard (Senior IP Architect) via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> wrote: Hi Members, We've hit a kafkaesque bug with the RIPE NCC's policies, and I was wondering if anyone else has run into it? We've had a resource transfer request blocked until the 2026 membership fees are all paid up, the 2026 membership fees for which the invoices have not yet been generated or sent out yet......... This requirement is not specified in the Transfer Policy, but it is mentioned in the 2026 Billing Procedure. Do we think this requirement—effectively restricting transfers during the month of January—is sane and I just need to be more patient, or does it require a policy update or maybe just for a bit of common sense to be applied when requests are processed? -Rich Information in this email including any attachments may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. 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Sampada Medsikar