Hi, Dear friends, Don't forget that idea of the Internet is that each single host should be able to communicate to any other single host. I strongly believe and I think everyone on this mailing list sure that there are many approaches to live with IPv4. It is time to understand that all that are temporary solutions. Your life will become more and more hard if you go deeper and deeper with temporary solutions. There is class of "Specialists" for whom it is easier to deploy a temporary solution and say 'Hah it works' instead of making a bit effort to deploy something permanent. Each LIR is piece of the Internet - don't trust strategy of your piece to such lazy "Specialists". Don't think like "I need a solution", think like "I need stable, reliable and long lasting solution". Internet is in production service, it is not your grandmother's home LAN, each of you must feel responsibility. Temporary solution is bad for production and permanent solution is only and only good thing for growth and stability of any production system like Internet is. And finally: Stop counting IP addresses, just do your contribution to IPv6 deployment by deploying it within your piece of the Internet. As fast as we converge to IPv6 as fast we will remove all the bad stuff like NAT and will finally stop counting IP addresses. Best. /Alex -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Rob Golding Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:04 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Interesting IP count Lu Heng wrote ...
So, US are using 40% of total world IP supply for it's 10% of world internet user base, while asian for years, is using about 10% of world IP address to supply 40% of internet user base.
In which, tells us that if US can free us even half of it's IP address space, that will supply us maybe another decades.
You make a *very* incorrect assumption: That the main use of IP addresses is "access" to the internet - completely ignoring all the devices/systems/networks/etc that hold those services you are accessing - the bulk of which are in the EU and US. IPv6 is not a new idea. Dual-Stacking is not a new idea. IMHO if you're still deploying systems and devices that only work v4 your business is about to die - attaching a bit of NAT based life-support isn't going to save it. Rob ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Yes, this is what it boils down to, pretty much. There have been so many workarounds deployed with the goal to give people more time to deploy proper ipv6, yet the majority are doing nothing. I guess it is not hurting enough yet? Skickat från min iPhone 6 jun 2012 kl. 09:06 skrev Alexandr Saroyan <alexandr.saroyan@orange-ftgroup.am>:
Hi,
Dear friends,
Don't forget that idea of the Internet is that each single host should be able to communicate to any other single host.
I strongly believe and I think everyone on this mailing list sure that there are many approaches to live with IPv4. It is time to understand that all that are temporary solutions.
Your life will become more and more hard if you go deeper and deeper with temporary solutions.
There is class of "Specialists" for whom it is easier to deploy a temporary solution and say 'Hah it works' instead of making a bit effort to deploy something permanent.
Each LIR is piece of the Internet - don't trust strategy of your piece to such lazy "Specialists". Don't think like "I need a solution", think like "I need stable, reliable and long lasting solution".
Internet is in production service, it is not your grandmother's home LAN, each of you must feel responsibility.
Temporary solution is bad for production and permanent solution is only and only good thing for growth and stability of any production system like Internet is.
And finally: Stop counting IP addresses, just do your contribution to IPv6 deployment by deploying it within your piece of the Internet. As fast as we converge to IPv6 as fast we will remove all the bad stuff like NAT and will finally stop counting IP addresses.
Best. /Alex
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Rob Golding Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:04 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Interesting IP count
Lu Heng wrote ...
So, US are using 40% of total world IP supply for it's 10% of world internet user base, while asian for years, is using about 10% of world IP address to supply 40% of internet user base.
In which, tells us that if US can free us even half of it's IP address space, that will supply us maybe another decades.
You make a *very* incorrect assumption:
That the main use of IP addresses is "access" to the internet - completely ignoring all the devices/systems/networks/etc that hold those services you are accessing - the bulk of which are in the EU and US.
IPv6 is not a new idea. Dual-Stacking is not a new idea.
IMHO if you're still deploying systems and devices that only work v4 your business is about to die - attaching a bit of NAT based life-support isn't going to save it.
Rob
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