+1 Am Di., 21. Juli 2020 um 10:14 Uhr schrieb Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re>:

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Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC,

Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation.

This madness has gone long enough.

Regards,

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-1 Even if these endless discussions on some cases are really annoying I would find it very sad if the ML is being put onto moderation. Maybe just don't try to argue with certain persons? ________________________________ Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> im Auftrag von Matthias Merkel <matthias@matthias.zone> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Juli 2020 10:15 An: Cynthia Revström Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net; exec-board@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation +1 Am Di., 21. Juli 2020 um 10:14 Uhr schrieb Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>>: +1 On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, 09:51 Erik Bais, <ebais@a2b-internet.com<mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com>> wrote: Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/matthias%40matthias.z...

I don't agree that putting it into moderation is the answer. That hurts the entire membership as a result of one individual not playing nice. The two easy solutions that I see are: 1) The spammer is removed and blacklisted from the mailing list; or 2) The spammer is completely ignored and nobody responds to them. All the best, Stuart On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 09:34, Thomas Althoff <thomas@mainloop.se> wrote:

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-Thomas

21 juli 2020 kl. 10:28 skrev Tammling, Klaas via members-discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net>:



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Even if these endless discussions on some cases are really annoying I would find it very sad if the ML is being put onto moderation.

Maybe just don't try to argue with certain persons?

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Am Di., 21. Juli 2020 um 10:14 Uhr schrieb Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, 09:51 Erik Bais, <ebais@a2b-internet.com> wrote:

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Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC,

Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation.

This madness has gone long enough.

Regards,

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Hi Christoph, I'm totally with you. I believe due to the freedom of speech it might be very problematic how to moderate the ML properly. At the end of the day probably 99,9% of all emails will have to be approved which in the end it not serving anyone who is annoyed by the amount of stupid and unnecessary discussions. Maybe people, who are being insulted or feel insulted, have the option to complain and sanctions can be applied to single misbehaving persons and not the complete mailinglist? Or as said just ignore however as we are all humans we might get triggered very quickly. Best Regards Klaas ________________________________ Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> im Auftrag von Viethen, Christoph <viethen@itc.rwth-aachen.de> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Juli 2020 11:59 An: members-discuss@ripe.net Cc: exec-board@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation Hello, the problem from my point of view is: Some of us – probably more than just a few of us, to be honest – have actual work to do. Looking at e-mails is something which takes time, and I like to see a certain value coming from time that I invest. Meaning that, while simply ignoring comments coming from the lunatic fringe is something which can and definitely should be done, it still costs some time to look at a list once new e-mails have arrived to see what they are about. So the only practical solution is either for members to individually make up their own minds and decide to filter all e-mails with certain sender names/addresses themselves, automatically dropping those in their individual looney folders (aka /dev/null), or have RIPE do something about specific sender(s) which ends up having similar results. (In this specific individual case, I probably don't mind too much which option is taken – I'll leave that decision to the people in charge at RIPE. Generally I guess one should be more careful – free speech is a valuable thing: At the very least, it gives everybody a chance to assess the quality of individual contributors.) Putting a whole list into moderation as a reaction to misbehaviour of a single individual, on the other hand, is not a good option at all, I think. Doing so would just show how simple it is to sabotage RIPE and regular discussion among its members. We should not let this happen, or others will learn from the example. Best regards Christoph _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/klaas.tammling%40akqu...

+1 This nonsense has been dragging on for months now - to the extent that it is past the time where this reflects poorly on the RIPE NCC and executive. The RIPE NCC may think they have a legal impediment to acting. I suspect the bigger legal liability will be that the RIPE NCC has stood by while the reputation of many in community has been impugned on this list. - Barry -- Kind regards, Barry O'Donovan Open Solutions Matthias Merkel wrote on 21/07/2020 09:15:

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+1

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Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, ____

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Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. ____

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This madness has gone long enough. ____

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