Re: [members-discuss] why is it proving impossible to gain IP sapce
can someone provide an insight into wether ipv4 at ripe has actually run out now? how much is left.. etc :P and can someone at google and facebook and twitter and stuff provide a reason why ipv6 STILL isn't on on their stuff by default (the same goes for ALL german xdsl providers ;) it's not like you lot didn't have millions to spend and years to prepare for it :P On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Bill Lewis wrote:
hi,
We have a /21 IP4 and a /32 IP6 and need more IP4... We appreciate the IP4 pool is very low...but...
We have been trying to gain more IP4 , a /21 would be good, /20 idealy as equipment vendors and partners are unfortunately not yet up to speed with IP6 for production use here and therefore we need more IP4 to bridge this gap.
The issue is that it is proving impossible to gain any IP4, it is clear that we have allocated all we have and are now forced to "rent" IP space from other LIR's in order to bridge the gap.
Can somebody tell me why we are paying to be an LIR but are unable to gain modest extra resources above our initial allocation 3 years ago and therefore having to resort to renting space privately?
Perhaps somebody could clarify this please as the last request got to a point where it was clarified that all the /21 is allocated and then....nothing... We even were told we had last had an additional allocation in 2010 which is not true as we joined in 2009 and that is when we gained the initial and only blocks we have.
Our first alloc just pushes us into the Small category on its own due to being a recent-ish LIR and therefore an extra block is unlikely to increase our fees, is this why?
cheers
Bill uk.kijoma
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oh wait, according to the graph http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-poo... there should still be some left :P (which then raises the question why you didn't get it ;) (not to mention 21,22,26/8 (milnet/dod/etc) and 244 and up (old e-class networks) still... ppl better start working on this "ipv6 thing"... -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle http://www.facebook.com/cb3rob ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
can someone provide an insight into wether ipv4 at ripe has actually run out now? how much is left.. etc :P
and can someone at google and facebook and twitter and stuff provide a reason why ipv6 STILL isn't on on their stuff by default
(the same goes for ALL german xdsl providers ;)
it's not like you lot didn't have millions to spend and years to prepare for it :P
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Bill Lewis wrote:
hi,
We have a /21 IP4 and a /32 IP6 and need more IP4... We appreciate the IP4 pool is very low...but...
We have been trying to gain more IP4 , a /21 would be good, /20 idealy as equipment vendors and partners are unfortunately not yet up to speed with IP6 for production use here and therefore we need more IP4 to bridge this gap.
The issue is that it is proving impossible to gain any IP4, it is clear that we have allocated all we have and are now forced to "rent" IP space from other LIR's in order to bridge the gap.
Can somebody tell me why we are paying to be an LIR but are unable to gain modest extra resources above our initial allocation 3 years ago and therefore having to resort to renting space privately?
Perhaps somebody could clarify this please as the last request got to a point where it was clarified that all the /21 is allocated and then....nothing... We even were told we had last had an additional allocation in 2010 which is not true as we joined in 2009 and that is when we gained the initial and only blocks we have.
Our first alloc just pushes us into the Small category on its own due to being a recent-ish LIR and therefore an extra block is unlikely to increase our fees, is this why?
cheers
Bill uk.kijoma
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No, there is plenty of v4 left for now - we easily got another /21 allocated the other day. Google does have v6, facebook too - just not by default. I talked with some of them and other content providers at RIPE meeting in Vienna and will write a further explanaition for their motives to not have it by default on in a few minutes when im at my office. William Weber EDIS GmbH NOC Graz, Austria Sent from my iPhone Am 15.02.2012 um 00:39 schrieb Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@cb3rob.net>:
can someone provide an insight into wether ipv4 at ripe has actually run out now? how much is left.. etc :P
and can someone at google and facebook and twitter and stuff provide a reason why ipv6 STILL isn't on on their stuff by default
(the same goes for ALL german xdsl providers ;)
it's not like you lot didn't have millions to spend and years to prepare for it :P
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Bill Lewis wrote:
hi,
We have a /21 IP4 and a /32 IP6 and need more IP4... We appreciate the IP4 pool is very low...but...
We have been trying to gain more IP4 , a /21 would be good, /20 idealy as equipment vendors and partners are unfortunately not yet up to speed with IP6 for production use here and therefore we need more IP4 to bridge this gap.
The issue is that it is proving impossible to gain any IP4, it is clear that we have allocated all we have and are now forced to "rent" IP space from other LIR's in order to bridge the gap.
Can somebody tell me why we are paying to be an LIR but are unable to gain modest extra resources above our initial allocation 3 years ago and therefore having to resort to renting space privately?
Perhaps somebody could clarify this please as the last request got to a point where it was clarified that all the /21 is allocated and then....nothing... We even were told we had last had an additional allocation in 2010 which is not true as we joined in 2009 and that is when we gained the initial and only blocks we have.
Our first alloc just pushes us into the Small category on its own due to being a recent-ish LIR and therefore an extra block is unlikely to increase our fees, is this why?
cheers
Bill uk.kijoma
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Hi, Op Woensdag, 15-02-2012 om 0:39 schreef Sven Olaf Kamphuis:
can someone provide an insight into wether ipv4 at ripe has actually run out now? how much is left.. etc :P
and can someone at google and facebook and twitter and stuff provide a reason why ipv6 STILL isn't on on their stuff by default
Have a look at http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=1. You'll see that most big sites will enable ipv6 on the 6'th of June, 2012. -- Dit bericht is verzonden via https://www.hyperdesktop.nl/. Alles, overal! Mark Schouten | Tuxis Internet Engineering KvK: 09218193 | http://www.tuxis.nl/ T: 0318 200208 | info@tuxis.nl M: 06 53463918 | mark@tuxis.nl
(the same goes for ALL german xdsl providers ;)
it's not like you lot didn't have millions to spend and years to prepare for it :P
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Bill Lewis wrote:
hi,
We have a /21 IP4 and a /32 IP6 and need more IP4... We appreciate the IP4 pool is very low...but...
We have been trying to gain more IP4 , a /21 would be good, /20 idealy as equipment vendors and partners are unfortunately not yet up to speed with IP6 for production use here and therefore we need more IP4 to bridge this gap.
The issue is that it is proving impossible to gain any IP4, it is clear that we have allocated all we have and are now forced to "rent" IP space from other LIR's in order to bridge the gap.
Can somebody tell me why we are paying to be an LIR but are unable to gain modest extra resources above our initial allocation 3 years ago and therefore having to resort to renting space privately?
Perhaps somebody could clarify this please as the last request got to a point where it was clarified that all the /21 is allocated and then....nothing... We even were told we had last had an additional allocation in 2010 which is not true as we joined in 2009 and that is when we gained the initial and only blocks we have.
Our first alloc just pushes us into the Small category on its own due to being a recent-ish LIR and therefore an extra block is unlikely to increase our fees, is this why?
cheers
Bill uk.kijoma
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Hi On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 09:04 +0100, Mark Schouten wrote:
Hi,
Op Woensdag, 15-02-2012 om 0:39 schreef Sven Olaf Kamphuis:
can someone provide an insight into wether ipv4 at ripe has actually run out now? how much is left.. etc :P
and can someone at google and facebook and twitter and stuff provide a reason why ipv6 STILL isn't on on their stuff by default
Have a look at http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=1. You'll see that most big sites will enable ipv6 on the 6'th of June, 2012.
Well I looked and saw that out of the top 45,000 Alexa ranked sites, that 100 are on the IPV6 launch list, not exactly inspiring. Mike
Hi, Op Woensdag, 15-02-2012 om 12:15 schreef Mike Hollowell:
Have a look at http://www.worldipv6launch.org/participants/?q=1. You'll see that most big sites will enable ipv6 on the 6'th of June, 2012.
Well I looked and saw that out of the top 45,000 Alexa ranked sites, that 100 are on the IPV6 launch list, not exactly inspiring.
I'd say that the stats on how much ipv4 is left should be inspiring enough for you. -- Dit bericht is verzonden via https://www.hyperdesktop.nl/. Alles, overal! Mark Schouten | Tuxis Internet Engineering KvK: 09218193 | http://www.tuxis.nl/ T: 0318 200208 | info@tuxis.nl M: 06 53463918 | mark@tuxis.nl
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William Weber