Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] 167th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting - Summary Notes
Hi, Thanks for the minutes, they make for interesting reading as always. It would have been nice if there had been a summary of the goals of the outsourced portfolio management solution including at least the level of expected portfolio return (ER) after costs, portfolio composition and expected total expense ratio (TER). It would also have been interesting to understand portfolio beta, sharpe as well as VaR. What are management's views on market and liquidity risk beyond the word conservative? Basically, how does the NCC intend to intend to keep ER above inflation? In the minutes, in 3.3 it is stated: "mentioned that with a declining number of LIR accounts due to consolidation, we should not exclude increasing our fees for 2025. The Board will take this into account when they present the 2025 Charging Scheme to the members at the GM in May 2024." and a few lines later: "The Board suggested aiming for a break-even budget, including revenue at risk. Hans Petter noted that bringing costs down will not be possible each year." Considering that the membership recently voted not to increase fees for 2024 it is slightly surprising that increasing membership fees would again be on the agenda for the following year. Also, I am curious as to why costs (= expenditure) cannot be brought down year/year. I do not remember learning this in business school. Sarcasm aside, what is there something preventing it beyond NCC management not presenting a smaller activity budget to the board and the board not presenting it to the membership for voting? Thoughts? Kaj ________________________________ From: ncc-announce <ncc-announce-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 12:52 To: ncc-announce@ripe.net <ncc-announce@ripe.net> Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] 167th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting - Summary Notes Dear RIPE NCC members, The RIPE NCC Executive Board held its 167th Meeting on 28 June 2023. The minutes are now available. Minutes of the 167th Meeting: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fabout-us%2Fexecutive-board%2Fminutes%2F2023%2Fminutes-167th-executive-board-meeting&data=05%7C01%7C%7C433cff2663044113d79d08db82bebda0%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638247527960965106%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=39HxOzm3gOvjsjYf6iteQtqDuIIom3U05v7fzKYoG20%3D&reserved=0<https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2023/minutes-167th-executive-board-meeting> The Executive Board publishes the minutes of its meetings so that the workings of the Board and the decisions it makes are transparent to the membership it represents. The following is a summary of the main items from the meeting. Further details are available in the minutes. ----------------------- Main Items ----------------------- - I updated the Board on the recruitment of the Chief Registry Officer and the status of key objectives and deliverables for 2023. - Simon-Jan Haytink presented the financial results up to May 2023, gave an update on the treasury project and asked the Board for direction for the 2024 budget following the adoption of the 2024 Charging Scheme at the last General Meeting. - Mirjam Kühne shared her report on developments in the RIPE community. - Fergal Cunningham reported on the May 2023 General Meeting. - Felipe Victolla Silveira proposed to remove the suspension of the waiting list. The Board accepted his recommendation. - Athina Fragkouli gave an update on the possibility for Ukrainian members to prevent their resources from being transferred and asked the Board for advice on moving forward. The Board decided to extend the temporary resolution until the proposed policy completes the Policy Development Process. - Athina Fragkouli raised the issue of moderation of the Member-Discuss mailing list, pointing out that the delays caused by moderation were a source of concern. The Board decided to remove general moderation and only apply moderation on a case-by-case basis for members who do not comply with the RIPE Code of Conduct or for messages that are not relevant to the mailing list. ---------------------------- Resolutions Adopted ---------------------------- - The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the minutes of EB#165 and EB#166. - The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the updated Treasury Statute June 2023. - The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the selection of UBS Luxembourg as a counterparty in compliance with the updated Treasury Statute June 2023. - The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the selection of American Express Europe S.A. as a counterparty. - The RIPE NCC Executive Board resolves to remove the suspension imposed on 21 April 2023 and allow the submission of new applications for the IPv4 Waiting List, effective immediately. - The RIPE NCC Executive Board, taking into account: ● The ongoing discussions about RIPE Policy Proposal 2023-03; ● The perceived support by the community for this proposal; and ● The time to reach consensus through the Policy Development Process Resolves to extend the resolution EB#163-R-02 and continue allowing members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred until RIPE Policy Proposal 2023-03 completes the Policy Development Process. The RIPE NCC Executive Board will review this resolution in six months and anticipates the RIPE community will develop a RIPE policy for a permanent solution in the meantime. - The RIPE NCC Executive Board resolves to remove the temporary moderation of the members-discuss mailing list imposed on 7 March 2022. The RIPE NCC Executive Board further resolves to moderate emails sent from individual subscribers who, from 28 June 2023, send emails evaluated as not in accordance with the purpose of the mailing list or the principles of the RIPE Code of Conduct. This evaluation and moderation will be conducted by a designated member of the RIPE NCC Executive Board and a RIPE NCC staff member. All emails, accepted or rejected, will be archived on the RIPE NCC website. Further, the RIPE NCC Executive Board resolves that if individual subscribers are put under moderation based on this resolution, this moderation will last one year from the date the last non-complying email was sent, even if this email was sent while the individual subscriber was under moderation. Kind regards, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC
Hi,
Considering that the membership recently voted not to increase fees for 2024 it is slightly surprising that increasing membership fees would again be on the agenda for the following year.
The membership votes on the charging scheme every year, so of course we can vote on price changes again for 2025. Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us? I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way: - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn’t make sense. Cheers, Sander
Hi Sander, I am sure you know that Inflation by itself does not necessarily lead to nominal wage growth and certainly not in nominal wage growth by the inflationary rate itself - or in excess thereof - to compensate the drop in real wage (inflation adjusted) from one's nominal (paid) wage. If only we could all be so lucky. For NL, publicly available data from CBS(.NL) show that Dutch CPI rose by 10% while HICP rose 11.6% in 2022. Wages certainly did not go up by the same amount, for example the collectively agreed (CAO) wages seem to have gone up by 3.2%. While not an expert on the Dutch labor market, I imagine that non-CAO wages haven't been increased by the amount of inflation, either. Certainly, in other countries wages have not been raised to compensate for the effects of inflation by the amount of inflation or higher. Perhaps your question was rhetorical but to me it indicates that the membership (or at least the majority of those who voted in 2023) would like to stop being an ATM for everything NCC does, even if the association's objectives written in AoA in §3 are quite comprehensive. Now, IF membership fees are at a level of x (1400 euro) but the NCC expenditure per average member is x+20% (1680 eur or so) AND members do not want to increase their fees.. what to do? I would read it as expenditure needs to be lowered to the level of fees per member - all other things being equal - to get it to an equilibrium. Another alternative is to use short- or long-term assets from the balance sheet, of course, but that cannot go on forever. As for the budgeting/planning activities (or chicken/egg issue), it was mentioned during the discussions on this list in March that it is weird that members first get to vote the budget for the next fiscal year and once that is locked in, they get to choo^Winfluence the activity plan in the form of providing feedback. It does not seem to be a choice only for the board as the budget and activity plan are covered in the AoA in some detail as to when and how. Still, changing this slightly, might not require rewriting AoA as in §15.5 is the word "or" meaning that the AoA would allow doing these simultaneously during the same meeting. There does not seem to be any exclusions preventing this. Finally - If 12% voted in the GM and 88% did not, should that be understood that 12% are interested in influencing what the association does or that 88% are happy with how things are and have better things to do in life? I am very curious on the survey results myself. Have a nice weekend. 🙂 Kaj ________________________________ From: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 15:05 To: Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net> Cc: <members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] 167th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting - Summary Notes Hi,
Considering that the membership recently voted not to increase fees for 2024 it is slightly surprising that increasing membership fees would again be on the agenda for the following year.
The membership votes on the charging scheme every year, so of course we can vote on price changes again for 2025. Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us? I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way: - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn’t make sense. Cheers, Sander
On Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:05:45PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us?
It is not about us, it is about how we want RIPE to manage decreasing membership and increasing costs. It does not say anything about salaries, though some may have a view on that. RIPE will have to balance their salary and other costs however they see fit, we were not asked to consider that detail.
I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way: - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on
The two are linked, having them separate in a time of high inflation and reducing membership is a problem. RIPE set themselves up to fail. If it had been a simple vote for an inflation linked increase I would probably have voted yes. Instead a change to the charging scheme was proposed which would reduce the charge for the large number of recent members, perhaps in an attempt to retain them as it is predicted many will sell their newly aquired addresses. However the new scheme was tiered rather than a per IP scheme This would have moved the bulk of costs of inflation and decreasing membership on to slightly larger members who would see significantly larger fees in future years too. So I voted for the old scheme, and no increase, to tell RIPE they need to address the increasing costs and falling membership rather than expect us to just carry on paying more.
Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn???t make sense.
It is perfectly sensible. It is saying we want the costs controlled not rapidly increasing fees and unfair new charging schemes. brandon
Hi, First of all I want to point out that I think at least the charging scheme proposal that was just a 5% increase was basically the option to compensate for inflation. We also have to remember that the Executive Board has a very difficult job to balance everything. Especially when just a small minority of the membership votes on things and an even smaller minority gives them actual input on mailing lists and in open house sessions. I suspect that a large reason for why so many members don't vote is just that they have better things to do and they trust the executive board to responsibly manage the association. This is largely why I personally don't think they should even have offered a charging scheme that they knew would likely result in the NCC being underfunded. But I also understand why they added it so I don't want to go too hard on them because it is a very difficult task. -Cynthia On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:19 PM Brandon Butterworth <hostmaster@bogons.net> wrote:
On Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:05:45PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us?
It is not about us, it is about how we want RIPE to manage decreasing membership and increasing costs.
It does not say anything about salaries, though some may have a view on that. RIPE will have to balance their salary and other costs however they see fit, we were not asked to consider that detail.
I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way: - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on
The two are linked, having them separate in a time of high inflation and reducing membership is a problem.
RIPE set themselves up to fail.
If it had been a simple vote for an inflation linked increase I would probably have voted yes.
Instead a change to the charging scheme was proposed which would reduce the charge for the large number of recent members, perhaps in an attempt to retain them as it is predicted many will sell their newly aquired addresses.
However the new scheme was tiered rather than a per IP scheme
This would have moved the bulk of costs of inflation and decreasing membership on to slightly larger members who would see significantly larger fees in future years too.
So I voted for the old scheme, and no increase, to tell RIPE they need to address the increasing costs and falling membership rather than expect us to just carry on paying more.
Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn???t make sense.
It is perfectly sensible. It is saying we want the costs controlled not rapidly increasing fees and unfair new charging schemes.
brandon
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Guten Tag Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend. Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen. Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an: support@nexphone.ch Freundliche Grüsse Oli Roth Am 14.07.2023 um 18:43 schrieb Cynthia Revström via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>:
Hi,
First of all I want to point out that I think at least the charging scheme proposal that was just a 5% increase was basically the option to compensate for inflation.
We also have to remember that the Executive Board has a very difficult job to balance everything. Especially when just a small minority of the membership votes on things and an even smaller minority gives them actual input on mailing lists and in open house sessions.
I suspect that a large reason for why so many members don't vote is just that they have better things to do and they trust the executive board to responsibly manage the association. This is largely why I personally don't think they should even have offered a charging scheme that they knew would likely result in the NCC being underfunded. But I also understand why they added it so I don't want to go too hard on them because it is a very difficult task.
-Cynthia
On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:19 PM Brandon Butterworth <hostmaster@bogons.net> wrote: On Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:05:45PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us?
It is not about us, it is about how we want RIPE to manage decreasing membership and increasing costs.
It does not say anything about salaries, though some may have a view on that. RIPE will have to balance their salary and other costs however they see fit, we were not asked to consider that detail.
I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way: - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on
The two are linked, having them separate in a time of high inflation and reducing membership is a problem.
RIPE set themselves up to fail.
If it had been a simple vote for an inflation linked increase I would probably have voted yes.
Instead a change to the charging scheme was proposed which would reduce the charge for the large number of recent members, perhaps in an attempt to retain them as it is predicted many will sell their newly aquired addresses.
However the new scheme was tiered rather than a per IP scheme
This would have moved the bulk of costs of inflation and decreasing membership on to slightly larger members who would see significantly larger fees in future years too.
So I voted for the old scheme, and no increase, to tell RIPE they need to address the increasing costs and falling membership rather than expect us to just carry on paying more.
Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn???t make sense.
It is perfectly sensible. It is saying we want the costs controlled not rapidly increasing fees and unfair new charging schemes.
brandon
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There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Oliver Roth to Tassero GmbH Helpdesk Comment added by: Oliver Roth Comment Content: <div>Guten Tag<br><br>Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend.<br>Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen.<br><br>Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an:<br>support@nexphone.ch<br><br>Freundliche Grüsse<br>Oli Roth<br><br>Am 24.07.2023 um 12:34 schrieb Tassero Support <office@tassero.de>:<br><br>> Dear Oliver Roth, > > We would like to acknowledge that we have received your request and a ticket has been created. > A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours). > > To view the status of the ticket or add comments, please visit > <a href="https://help.tassero.de/support/tickets/663 " rel="noreferrer">https://help.tassero.de/support/tickets/663 </a>> <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> Sincerely, > <br>> Tassero GmbH Team<br>> > <br>> --------------------------------------- > <br>> > <br>> Tassero GmbH<br>> Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8<br>> 80807 München<br>> <br>> Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26<br>> E-Mail: office@tassero.com<br>> <br>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669<br>> UstId.: DE 310 271 391<br>> <br>> Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako<br>> <br>> 663:1788124 <br><br> </div> Attachments : 1. <a href='https://help.tassero.de/helpdesk/attachments/80236479318'>attachment</a> Regards, Tassero GmbH Team --------------------------------------- Tassero GmbH Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8 80807 München Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26 E-Mail: office@tassero.com Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669 UstId.: DE 310 271 391 Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Oliver Roth to Tassero GmbH Helpdesk Comment added by: Oliver Roth Comment Content: <div>Guten Tag<br><br>Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend.<br>Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen.<br><br>Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an:<br>support@nexphone.ch<br><br>Freundliche Grüsse<br>Oli Roth<br><br>Am 24.07.2023 um 12:40 schrieb Tassero Support <office@tassero.de>:<br><br>> There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Oliver Roth to Tassero GmbH Helpdesk > <br>> > Comment added by: > Oliver Roth > > Comment Content: > <br>> Guten Tag<br>> <br>> Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend.<br>> Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen.<br>> <br>> Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an:<br>> support@nexphone.ch<br>> <br>> Freundliche Grüsse<br>> Oli Roth<br>> <br>> Am 24.07.2023 um 12:34 schrieb Tassero Support <office@tassero.de>:<br>> <br>> > Dear Oliver Roth, > > > > We would like to acknowledge that we have received your request and a ticket has been created. > > A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours). > > > > To view the status of the ticket or add comments, please visit > > <a href="https://help.tassero.de/support/tickets/663 " rel="noreferrer">https://help.tassero.de/support/tickets/663 </a>> > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > Sincerely, > > <br>> > Tassero GmbH Team<br>> > > > <br>> > --------------------------------------- > > <br>> > > > <br>> > Tassero GmbH<br>> > Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8<br>> > 80807 München<br>> > <br>> > Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26<br>> > E-Mail: office@tassero.com<br>> > <br>> > Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669<br>> > UstId.: DE 310 271 391<br>> > <br>> > Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako<br>> > <br>> > 663:1788124 <br>> <br>> Attachments : 1. attachment<br>> <br>> <br>> > <br>> Regards,<br>> Tassero GmbH Team<br>> --------------------------------------- > <br>> > <br>> Tassero GmbH<br>> Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8<br>> 80807 München<br>> <br>> Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26<br>> E-Mail: office@tassero.com<br>> <br>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669<br>> UstId.: DE 310 271 391<br>> <br>> Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako<br>> <br>> 663:1788124 <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> members-discuss@ripe.net<br>> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br>>; Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/oliver.roth%40nexphon..." rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/oliver.roth%40nexphone.ch</a><br><br> </div> Attachments : 1. <a href='https://help.tassero.de/helpdesk/attachments/80236484864'>attachment</a> Regards, Tassero GmbH Team --------------------------------------- Tassero GmbH Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8 80807 München Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26 E-Mail: office@tassero.com Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669 UstId.: DE 310 271 391 Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Oliver Roth to Tassero GmbH Helpdesk Comment added by: Oliver Roth Comment Content: <div>Guten Tag<br><br>Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend.<br>Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen.<br><br>Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an:<br>support@nexphone.ch<br><br>Freundliche Grüsse<br>Oli Roth<br><br>Am 24.07.2023 um 12:49 schrieb Tassero Support <office@tassero.de>:<br><br>> There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Oliver Roth to Tassero GmbH Helpdesk > <br>> > Comment added by: > Oliver Roth > > Comment Content: > <br>> Guten Tag<br>> <br>> Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend.<br>> Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen.<br>> <br>> Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an:<br>> support@nexphone.ch<br>> <br>> Freundliche Grüsse<br>> Oli Roth<br>> <br>> Am 24.07.2023 um 12:40 schrieb Tassero Support <office@tassero.de>:<br>> <br>> > There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Oliver Roth to Tassero GmbH Helpdesk > > <br>> > > > Comment added by: > > Oliver Roth > > > > Comment Content: > > <br>> > Guten Tag<br>> > <br>> > Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend.<br>> > Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen.<br>> > <br>> > Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an:<br>> > support@nexphone.ch<br>> > <br>> > Freundliche Grüsse<br>> > Oli Roth<br>> > <br>> > Am 24.07.2023 um 12:34 schrieb Tassero Support <office@tassero.de>:<br>> > <br>> > > Dear Oliver Roth, > > > > > > We would like to acknowledge that we have received your request and a ticket has been created. > > > A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours). > > > > > > To view the status of the ticket or add comments, please visit > > > <a href="https://help.tassero.de/support/tickets/663 " rel="noreferrer">https://help.tassero.de/support/tickets/663 </a>> > > <br>> > > > > > <br>> > > > > > <br>> > > > > > <br>> > > Sincerely, > > > <br>> > > Tassero GmbH Team<br>> > > > > > <br>> > > --------------------------------------- > > > <br>> > > > > > <br>> > > Tassero GmbH<br>> > > Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8<br>> > > 80807 München<br>> > > <br>> > > Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26<br>> > > E-Mail: office@tassero.com<br>> > > <br>> > > Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669<br>> > > UstId.: DE 310 271 391<br>> > > <br>> > > Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako<br>> > > <br>> > > 663:1788124 <br>> > <br>> > Attachments : 1. attachment<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > > > <br>> > Regards,<br>> > Tassero GmbH Team<br>> > --------------------------------------- > > <br>> > > > <br>> > Tassero GmbH<br>> > Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8<br>> > 80807 München<br>> > <br>> > Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26<br>> > E-Mail: office@tassero.com<br>> > <br>> > Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669<br>> > UstId.: DE 310 271 391<br>> > <br>> > Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako<br>> > <br>> > 663:1788124 <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > members-discuss mailing list<br>> > members-discuss@ripe.net<br>> > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br>>; > Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/oliver.roth%40nexphon..." rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/oliver.roth%40nexphone.ch</a><br>>; <br>> Attachments : 1. attachment<br>> <br>> <br>> > <br>> Regards,<br>> Tassero GmbH Team<br>> --------------------------------------- > <br>> > <br>> Tassero GmbH<br>> Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8<br>> 80807 München<br>> <br>> Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26<br>> E-Mail: office@tassero.com<br>> <br>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669<br>> UstId.: DE 310 271 391<br>> <br>> Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako<br>> <br>> 663:1788124 <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> members-discuss@ripe.net<br>> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br>>; Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/oliver.roth%40nexphon..." rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/oliver.roth%40nexphone.ch</a><br><br> </div> Attachments : 1. <a href='https://help.tassero.de/helpdesk/attachments/80236487066'>attachment</a> Regards, Tassero GmbH Team --------------------------------------- Tassero GmbH Mies-van-der-Rohe Straße 8 80807 München Tel. : +49 (0) 89 – 545 583 26 E-Mail: office@tassero.com Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 230669 UstId.: DE 310 271 391 Geschäftsführer: Heinrich Nako
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