BGP peer requirement for new AS Number
Hi When an LIR (new LIR or existed one) wants to have a new AS Number, RIPE NCC asks for their peers. At least two peer should be listed. I want to ask is it important for the RIPE NCC to know who are the peers? For example in Iran most of ISP's has only one peer and that is AS12880 or AS48159. And this company(TIC) won't confirm any request. Even if it is important for the RIPE NCC, they can search their database and ask the LIR contact of those LIR's to confirm the new peer's request. -- Shahin Gharghi
Hi Shahin and welcome to the list, I don’t think it’s the question for the list members though. Get in touch with RIPE directly and ask them about their position: http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/contact http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/contact/contact-information With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Shahin Gharghi Sent: 12 January 2015 12:49 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] BGP peer requirement for new AS Number Hi When an LIR (new LIR or existed one) wants to have a new AS Number, RIPE NCC asks for their peers. At least two peer should be listed. I want to ask is it important for the RIPE NCC to know who are the peers? For example in Iran most of ISP's has only one peer and that is AS12880 or AS48159. And this company(TIC) won't confirm any request. Even if it is important for the RIPE NCC, they can search their database and ask the LIR contact of those LIR's to confirm the new peer's request. [https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif] -- Shahin Gharghi
Hi Shahin, Currently section 2.0 of RIPE's Autonomous System (AS) Number Assignment Policies document (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-525) says "A network must be multihomed in order to qualify for an AS Number", therefore under the currently policy you shouldn't be requesting an ASN if you only intend to peer with one other ASN. If you have a single upstream provider then you are deemed to have the same routing policy as them and as such not require an ASN. There is however a proposal to change this policy and remove the multihoming requirement: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-03 Edward Dore Freethought Internet On 12 Jan 2015, at 12:48, Shahin Gharghi <ripe@rased.ir> wrote:
Hi
When an LIR (new LIR or existed one) wants to have a new AS Number, RIPE NCC asks for their peers. At least two peer should be listed. I want to ask is it important for the RIPE NCC to know who are the peers? For example in Iran most of ISP's has only one peer and that is AS12880 or AS48159. And this company(TIC) won't confirm any request. Even if it is important for the RIPE NCC, they can search their database and ask the LIR contact of those LIR's to confirm the new peer's request.
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Dear Edward Let's imagine an LIR that has IPv4 & IPv6 allocation without AS Number. When they ask for an AS Number RIPE NCC says you have to have two peers. But this new LIR only has one peer. Is it impossible? So if RIPE NCC asks for our peer to confirm, why don't they contact them to confirm? And they can easily find the LIR contact of those AS Numbers and get confirm from them. Why should we tell the email and the phone number of our peer to RIPE NCC? This question just makes our process longer. On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Edward Dore < ripe@freethought-internet.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Shahin,
Currently section 2.0 of RIPE's Autonomous System (AS) Number Assignment Policies document (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-525) says "A network must be multihomed in order to qualify for an AS Number", therefore under the currently policy you shouldn't be requesting an ASN if you only intend to peer with one other ASN.
If you have a single upstream provider then you are deemed to have the same routing policy as them and as such not require an ASN.
There is however a proposal to change this policy and remove the multihoming requirement: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-03
Edward Dore Freethought Internet
On 12 Jan 2015, at 12:48, Shahin Gharghi <ripe@rased.ir> wrote:
Hi
When an LIR (new LIR or existed one) wants to have a new AS Number, RIPE NCC asks for their peers. At least two peer should be listed. I want to ask is it important for the RIPE NCC to know who are the peers? For example in Iran most of ISP's has only one peer and that is AS12880 or AS48159. And this company(TIC) won't confirm any request. Even if it is important for the RIPE NCC, they can search their database and ask the LIR contact of those LIR's to confirm the new peer's request.
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Am 12.01.15 um 15:23 schrieb Shahin Gharghi:
Dear Edward
Let's imagine an LIR that has IPv4 & IPv6 allocation without AS Number. When they ask for an AS Number RIPE NCC says you have to have two peers. But this new LIR only has one peer. Is it impossible?
If the LIR has only one upstream (I think when you say "peer" you actually mean "upstream"), an ASN is not required and since the multihoming requirement is not fulfilled, will probably not be issued, but YMMV.
So if RIPE NCC asks for our peer to confirm, why don't they contact them to confirm? And they can easily find the LIR contact of those AS Numbers and get confirm from them. Why should we tell the email and the phone number of our peer to RIPE NCC? This question just makes our process longer.
Your complaining on members-list certainly doesn't help speeding up your "process", so I suggest you either contact RIPE directly with your gripes or provide some other argument than "it bothers me" why you think the policy in effect should not apply to you. A discussion needs arguments. Regards, --ck
Let's imagine an LIR that has IPv4 & IPv6 allocation without AS Number. When they ask for an AS Number RIPE NCC says you have to have two peers. But this new LIR only has one peer. Is it impossible?
If the LIR has only one upstream (I think when you say "peer" you actually mean "upstream"), an ASN is not required and since the multihoming requirement is not fulfilled, will probably not be issued, but YMMV.
The requirement to multihome in order to get an ASN has been (or is being) removed - Nigel spoke about it at the last LINX meeting. Rob
Hi,
Op 12 jan. 2015, om 06:47 heeft rob.golding@astutium.com het volgende geschreven:
The requirement to multihome in order to get an ASN has been (or is being) removed - Nigel spoke about it at the last LINX meeting.
There is a policy proposal on this subject (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-03) but it is still being discussed. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated in the RIPE address policy working group. And on how the RIPE NCC implements our policy: they do actually contact the peers/upstreams on occasion to verify the request. The reason that they ask for contact information is that with bigger ISPs the people who are listed in the RIPE database aren't always the people who know about the organisation who wants to get an ASN. For example when a company wants an ASN they usually are still talking to the sales department, and the people listed in the RIPE database are usually not the sales people. If anybody wants to discuss the policy: please join the address policy mailing list. Implementation details are probably best discussed in the NCC services working group. Cheers, Sander
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