Hi, We in Romania trough Interlan Association are complaining about the issues regarding ipv4 "market" (wich seems to be supported by the community) for over 1 year now. We had a consultant from RIPE in Bucharest and we detailed each and every issue regarding this problem. Ipv4 / Ipv6 was not created for people to make money. It was created to enssure communication betewen people. Don`t get me wrong, we are not against the market, the unused resources should be redistributed somehow (ripe,market). But we should take care and enssure that new entities can have IPv4 ip space. RIPE-NCC should request usability reports from every LIR at least once every year. Unused resources should be redistributed. Three times over the last couple of years we have lost ip space wich was rented from othe LIR`s. Or had to pay a huge amount of money to transfer them. Three times now we had to renumber and remake the topology of the network in order to acomodate the loss. Why are we not using more IPV6? Facebook is ipv6 akamai,google ok.. Nice. But we have over 10.000 divices routers,switches,etc.. wich do not support ipv6. And we are talking just about customer related devices. Their own home routers,switches,ip phones etc... We should convince China and the manufacturers to build software ipv6 ready! We already tried and it`s not that easy. One manufacturer asked for 200.000 dolars in order to redo the software ipv6 ready for some routers. Ask VODAFONE why are they buying ipv4. The answer will be the same. Customers do not have ipv6 ready devices, or they have to many of their own devices ipv6 not ready. You should ask the customers of the LIRS if it was ok to get their ipv4 alocated space taken away by a notification received by email. Big companies should not be allowed to transfer ipv4 to their lir if they do not have at least 30 - 50% implementation on ipv6. We are putting the burden of the costs on the back of start-ups and leaving the big companies to profit on this market. I`m not quite sure what prompted this discussion but i`m glad it`s out! You should look into address space wich left Romania. I can tell you that over 50% at least of that address space was in use. I now get 3 -5 emails each day from small companies in Romania asking for address space. But we have none to give. We have alocated evrething in order to try to help! Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu TENNET TELECOM

On 12 Feb 2016, at 22:54, Freethought Hostmaster wrote:

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Just because someone is allocated globally unique address space, doesn't mean that it has to be announced into the DFZ. It is perfectly legitimate to use that space privately.

How often does that happen? Do we need to support that when space is constrained?

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Also, being allocated globally unique address space doesn't mean that you are multi-homed and thus also have an ASN. It is perfectly legitimate to have your own address space but be single-homed.

Most LIR have their own ASN, but that is a valid point.

Regards, Paul.

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