Hi Harry, Thanks for your comments. Taking into account that RIPE will have work in processing a transfer, splitting the transfer fee (e.g. 50/50) and suggested “Application” fee can be acceptable but only in case of availability of very clear documentation describing the cases transfers will/won’t succeed. At the same time we suppose that the scaling of the transfer fee based on the type/amount of resource being transferred is not acceptable taking into consideration that this fee is charged for processing the transfer and not for the resources being transferred. Thanks. Regards, Naira   -----Original Message----- From: Harry Cross [mailto:me@harrycross.me] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 5:51 PM To: Naira Kuroyan <NKuroyan@telecomarmenia.am> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Member Update: April 2023 Hi Naira/all, I do agree with you there, but I’d like to propose maybe splitting the transfer fee in to two parts here if it were to happen. I understand that RIPE will have work in processing a transfer and checking if it is permissible to do the transfer, so I’d like to propose a “Application” fee that is less than 500EUR and charged in all cases, and then a potential “Transfer” fee that is actually charged if the transfer is done. I’d also like to propose the scaling of the transfer fee based on the type/amount of resource being transferred if one was to be implemented. I do agree that if a fee is going to be charged for transfers, then very clear documentation needs to be provided to confirm in what cases transfers will/won’t succeed. Thanks Harry

On 10 May 2023, at 12:54, Naira Kuroyan via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> wrote:

Dear RIPE NCC Team,

Herewith we would like to refer to the draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024, document "Vote 3: Transfer Fee EUR 500 per Request".

According to the draft, "The transfer fee is non-refundable in the event that the transfer is rejected.". We suppose that this fee is not reasonable in case of rejecting the transfer. At the same time we suggest to describe in document the cases when the transfer can/will be rejected. Also it is not clear from the document that this fee is a one-time payment.

Hope the above commens will be considered and adjustment will be made in final version presenting to vote during the GM May 2023.

Thanks!

Regards,

NAIRA KUROYAN

GLOBAL NETWORK CONNECTIVITY MANAGER +374 91 20 05 75 NKuroyan@telecomarmenia.am

www.telecomarmenia.am

-----Original Message----- From: ncc-announce [mailto:ncc-announce-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Boris Duval Sent: Monday, May 1, 2023 3:11 PM To: ncc-announce@ripe.net Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Member Update: April 2023

Dear RIPE NCC members,

In this month’s update, you’ll find everything you need ahead of RIPE 86, taking place from 22-26 May in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, and our RIPE NCC General Meeting from 24-26 May. Take a look at the supporting documents for the General Meeting, and remember to register.

Register for RIPE 86 at: https://ripe86.ripe.net/attend/register/

Register for the RIPE NCC General Meeting at: https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active

General Meeting Supporting Documents: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/documen tation-and-archives/supporting-documents

Read on to see everything the RIPE NCC and the RIPE community have been doing this month:

1. Registry -- LIR Stats -- SAV: Why Is Source Address Validation Still A Problem?

2. Information and Services -- Decommissioning the RIPE Networking App and RIPE Mailing List Forum -- RIPE Labs -- Hot on the RIPE NCC Forum

3. Community and Engagement -- RIPE NCC Days Sofia -- Community Projects Fund Call for Applications -- RIPE Policy Proposals -- RIPE IPv6 Policy Discussion Update -- Consensus on Principles for Remuneration of the RIPE Chairs -- Consensus on RIPE Code of Conduct Process and Team Appointment Documents -- RIPE NCC Community Development Plans for 2023 -- Call for Topics for RIPE 86 Community Plenary -- IGF 2023 Call for Proposals -- The RIPE Chair Team Reports: April 2023 -- Training Courses and Webinars in May

4. Organisational Update -- Publication of final support documents for the General Meeting -- Executive Board Resolution to Temporarily Suspend IPv4 Waiting List Applications -- Call for Nominations to the RIPE NCC Executive Board -- Changes to Management Structure -- Report Published on Law Enforcement Agencies Requests 2022 -- RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting Minutes Published -- Vacancies

1. Registry -- LIR Stats Number of LIRs: 23,427 (+10) Number of members: 20,280 (+26) LIRs with IPv6: 16,756 (+0) IPv4 addresses transferred in March: 1,100,288 (+31,232)

-- SAV: Why Is Source Address Validation Still A Problem? RIPE NCC researcher Qasim Lone examines source address validation and considers ways to incentivize network operators to implement it in this RIPE Labs article: https://labs.ripe.net/author/qasim-lone/sav-why-is-source-address-vali dation-still-a-problem/

2. Information and Services -- Decommissioning the RIPE Networking App and RIPE Mailing List Forum By the end of April, we will decommission the RIPE Networking App and also the RIPE Mailing List Forum as our research shows they are not widely used. You can read more details on the reasons for decommissioning these services at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2023-April/002822.ht ml

-- RIPE Labs In March, RIPE Labs featured articles from community members on topics including the resilience of the Internet in Ukraine, an update on current and developing Internet governance regulations and policies, the role of human relationships in Internet geopolitics, the ways people use TXT and more: https://labs.ripe.net/

-- Hot on the RIPE NCC Forum Over the past month, people have been submitting topics and joining discussions on the new RIPE NCC Forum about the impact of ChatGPT, RIPE Atlas J-root instances, telecom market trends in South East Europe and more. If you haven’t signed up yet, do it today and come join the chat: https://forum.ripe.net/

3. Community and Engagement -- RIPE NCC Days Sofia Register for the RIPE NCC Days that will be held in Sofia, Bulgaria from 27-28 June 2023. The call for presentations is open for this meeting until 7 May 2023. See the meeting page to register, submit presentations and find sponsorship opportunities: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/regional-meetings/ripe-ncc-d ays-sofia

-- Community Projects Fund Call for Applications The call for applications is open for the RIPE NCC Community Projects Fund. Through the Fund, the RIPE NCC supports projects that work toward the good of the Internet. If you’re working on a project that supports the operations and resilience of the Internet, send in your application for funding by 31 May 2023 at 23:59 UTC: https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/community-project s-fund-2023-call-for-applications

-- RIPE Policy Proposals -- Policy Proposal 2023-01 Discussion Phase Extended until 29 May 2023 The Discussion Phase for version 2.0 of RIPE Policy proposal 2023-01, “Reducing IXP IPv4 assignment default size to a /26,” has been extended, as there was some support for the concept but no feedback yet. Please send your comments to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 29 May: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/policy-announce/2023-April/000 586.html

-- Policy Proposal 2023-02 Review Phase Open until 2 May The Review Phase for RIPE Policy Proposal 2023-02, “Minimum Size for IPv4 Temporary Assignments,” started on 4 April. Please send your comments to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 2 May: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/policy-announce/2023-April/000 585.html

-- RIPE IPv6 Policy Discussion Update The RIPE Address Policy Working Group held interim sessions to discuss IPv6 policy goals on 20 February and 11 April. The group discussed topics related to PI assignments and drafted desirable policy outcomes: https://labs.ripe.net/author/leo_vegoda/more-next-steps-in-ipv6-policy -work/

-- Consensus on Principles for Remuneration of the RIPE Chairs Last Call has ended for the document "Principles for Remuneration of the RIPE Chairs," and consensus has been declared. It will be published as a RIPE Document: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2023-April/002826.ht ml

-- Consensus on RIPE Code of Conduct Process and Team Appointment Documents Last call has also ended for the RIPE Code of Conduct Process document and RIPE Code of Conduct Team Appointment document. Both have now been published as RIPE Documents: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-792 https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-793

-- RIPE NCC Community Development Plans for 2023 The RIPE NCC’s Gergana Petrova has published a RIPE Labs article summarising our Community Development department’s engagement plans for 2023. Take a look and let us know if you have any feedback: https://labs.ripe.net/author/gergana_petrova/community-development-pla ns-for-2023/

-- Call for Topics for RIPE 86 Community Plenary The RIPE 86 Community Plenary will take place on Thursday, 25 May at 16:00 (UTC+2), 14:00 (UTC). Please reach out to RIPE Chair Mirjam Kühne about any topics you would like to discuss during this session. Read about the purpose of the RIPE Community Plenary and find the minutes of previous sessions at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/ripe-community-plenary

-- IGF 2023 Call for Proposals The Internet Governance Forum (IGF) 2023 will be held this year in Kyoto, Japan from 8-12 October. The call is open for session proposals, with a deadline of 19 May at 23:59 UTC. You can find the proposal forms and further information at: https://www.intgovforum.org/en/content/igf%C2%A02023-call-for-session- proposals

-- The RIPE Chair Team Reports: April 2023 The RIPE Chair Team’s March report is out, featuring updates on RIPE community activities such as preparations for RIPE 86, the Cooperation Working Group’s efforts in response to the EU Consultation on Digital Infrastructure, an update on RIPE documents, upcoming industry events and more: https://labs.ripe.net/author/mirjam_kuhne/the-ripe-chair-team-reports- april-2023/

-- Training Courses and Webinars in May Our courses for the month of May are open for RIPE NCC members to register. We will have a webinar on IPv6 Addressing Plans. We will also hold in-person training courses on Basic IPv6 in Manama and Bishkek, on Advanced IPv6 in Bologna, and on BGP Operations and Security in Manama: https://learning.ripe.net/w/upcoming/

Interested in a topic that you can't find on our upcoming courses page? Let us know what material you would like to see covered in future webinars: https://forms.gle/rhyExMhb7BTCCXyU8

4. Organisational Update -- Publication of final support documents for the General Meeting All supporting documents for the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) May 2023 are now available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/documen tation-and-archives/supporting-documents

The documents include: - RIPE NCC Annual Report 2022 - RIPE NCC Financial Report 2022 - Four options for the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024, along with two votes on separate ASN and transfer fees (we have also included an updated calculator that allows members to see how the various models would affect them) - RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement - Proposed Amendment

We ask members to read these documents and provide feedback on the Members Discuss mailing list or during the GM itself. The draft agenda with resolutions to be voted on is also available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/agenda- ripe-ncc-general-meeting-may-2023

-- Executive Board Resolution to Temporarily Suspend IPv4 Waiting List Applications At its meeting on 21 April 2023, the RIPE NCC Executive Board resolved to suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to submit new applications to the IPv4 waiting list until further notice. This does not affect any existing requests that have already been submitted to the waiting list. You can read more about the decision at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2023-April/001643 .html

-- Call for Nominations to the RIPE NCC Executive Board You have until Wednesday, 3 May 2023 at 23:59 UTC+2 to nominate a candidate for the RIPE NCC Executive Board. The election for the three vacant seats will take place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) on 24-26 May 2023. More information is available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/executi ve-board-election/executive-board-election-information

-- Changes to Management Structure Former Chief Information Officer Kaveh Ranjbar has left the RIPE NCC, and we thank him for his 15 years with us. Felipe Victolla Silveira has been appointed to the role of Chief Technology Officer and will serve as acting Chief Registry Officer until a replacement is in place. We invite interested candidates from the RIPE community to apply for this position: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2023-April/001637 .html

-- Report Published on Law Enforcement Agencies Requests 2022 The RIPE NCC has published its report detailing the requests we received from Law Enforcement Agencies in 2022: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-794

-- RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting Minutes Published -- 165th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting The minutes for the 165th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting are now available. You can read a summary of the main items and access the minutes at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2023-April/001640 .html

-- 166th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting The minutes for the 166th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting are also available. You can read a summary of the main items and access the minutes at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2023-April/001642 .html

-- Vacancies We currently have a number of vacancies at the RIPE NCC. If you would like to join us in working at the heart of the Internet, have a look at our openings: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/staff/careers-at-the-ripe-ncc

Thank you for reading to the end. We'll be back next month with more news!

Best regards,

Boris Duval Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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