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Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org>; members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=FP80braarswb&rid=5828349&report=1> to report this email as spam.
Please, remove me from this list. Regards! From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson Sent: miércoles, 17 de febrero de 2016 16:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net> >; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net <mailto:new-lir@ripe.net> > Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org> >; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> > Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> ] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro> ) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. _____ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here <https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=FP80braarswb&rid=5828349&report=1> to report this email as spam.
Please, remove me from this list Thanks From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Manuel Rios - EasyDataHost Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:45 PM To: 'Alex Johnson'; 'Omar Dallah'; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please, remove me from this list. Regards! From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson Sent: miércoles, 17 de febrero de 2016 16:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com <mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com> >; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net> >; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net <mailto:new-lir@ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net> >; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net <mailto:new-lir@ripe.net> > Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org> >; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> > Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> ] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro> ) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. _____ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here <https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=FP80braarswb&rid=5828349&report=1> to report this email as spam.
Yes, please remove me as well, Thanks, Luca From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Twana Othman Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:46 AM To: 'Manuel Rios - EasyDataHost'; 'Alex Johnson'; 'Omar Dallah'; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please, remove me from this list Thanks From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Manuel Rios - EasyDataHost Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:45 PM To: 'Alex Johnson'; 'Omar Dallah'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please, remove me from this list. Regards! From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson Sent: miércoles, 17 de febrero de 2016 16:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com<mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=FP80braarswb&rid=5828349&report=1> to report this email as spam.
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Yes, please remove me as well,
Thanks,
Luca
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Please, remove me from this list
Thanks
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Please, remove me from this list.
Regards!
From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson Sent: miércoles, 17 de febrero de 2016 16:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Please could you also remove me from the conversation.
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Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards,
Omar Dallah
From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org>; members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing
Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: the
system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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Please remove me from list Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Twana Othman Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:46 Aan: 'Manuel Rios - EasyDataHost' <mriosfer@easydatahost.com>; 'Alex Johnson' <Alex.Johnson@foehn.co.uk>; 'Omar Dallah' <o.dallah@dot-jo.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please, remove me from this list Thanks From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Manuel Rios - EasyDataHost Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:45 PM To: 'Alex Johnson'; 'Omar Dallah'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please, remove me from this list. Regards! From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson Sent: miércoles, 17 de febrero de 2016 16:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com<mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=FP80braarswb&rid=5828349&report=1> to report this email as spam.
Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' < hostmaster@ripe.net >; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' < new-lir@ripe.net > Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [ mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net ] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [ mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net ] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' < universe@truemetal.org >; members-discuss@ripe.net ; Claudiu Foleanu < claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com > Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP
Please remove me from this list Best Regards Wednesday, 17 February 2016, 06:43pm +03:00 from Alex Johnson < Alex.Johnson@foehn.co.uk> : that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net ] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" ( www.ip.ro ) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from < https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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And us From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson Sent: 17 February 2016 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=FP80braarswb&rid=5828349&report=1> to report this email as spam.
please remove me as well. ________________________________ From: members-discuss [members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] on behalf of David Benwell [dave@it-communicationsltd.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:53 AM To: Alex Johnson; Omar Dallah; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list And us From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Johnson Sent: 17 February 2016 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please could you also remove me from the conversation. Kind Regards Alex Johnson Professional Services Consultant Office : +44 (0) 330 403 0000 Direct : +44 (0) 7830 104 799 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ip.ro&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=hzvtF3KGlPtI4Ws42glY73zDxpS_SlCPbeEYH7jaMss&e=>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ripe.net_manage-2Dips-2Dand-2Dasns_resource-2Dtransfers-2Dand-2Dmergers_tra&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=Cm9o9lV-YOsndKZ_XcWNDkaqrxlG9S1jRek-UnBcHV0&e=> nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lirportal.ripe.net_general&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=99LQ7J93RQ0ranSHEcX7XApuE64vaIkZVf1WM16nF8s&e=>/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lirportal.ripe.net_general&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=99LQ7J93RQ0ranSHEcX7XApuE64vaIkZVf1WM16nF8s&e=>/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__eu1.proofpointessentials.com_index01.php-3Fmod-5Fid-3D11-26mod-5Foption-3Dlogitem-26mail-5Fid-3DFP80braarswb-26rid-3D5828349-26report-3D1&d=BQMGaQ&c=jcv3orpCsv7C4ly8-ubDob57ycZ4jvhoYZNDBA06fPk&r=n_y1RRbpD-VL68rW7gewvBKKk09uxxt_qmp9oWVUPzo&m=VGq-RmOflEfux_bjhzF5Q0woBOa6lISw4r3I3X75Szw&s=-oyyc4S71Z3YMwbgRXTq3ydmn8SdDn2lfT2qtEvoQAM&e=> to report this email as spam.
Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=3uoNyYc%2Bc25n&rid=33924&report=1> to report this email as spam.
Yes, please remove me too. All the best, Stuart Stuart Gilbertson Consider IT Limited Superior IT Support www.considerit.co.uk 0131 510 0110 Please Note: This e-mail and any files that may be attached to it are for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is strictly confidential. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender by replying to this message. In the event that you are not the intended recipient, you must not directly or indirectly copy, print, or otherwise disseminate this message in full or in part. Consider IT Ltd takes reasonable steps to ensure that our e-mails are virus-free, and in any event, accept no liability, either for any alterations made to this e-mail by third parties, or any viruses that it may contain, howsoever arising. Consider IT Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. On 17 February 2016 at 15:44, Jane Davison <jane.davison@foehn.co.uk> wrote:
Dears,
Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list.
I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox.
Many thanks
Jane
*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Omar Dallah *Sent:* 17 February 2016 15:42 *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' *Subject:* [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards,
Omar Dallah
*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *Matthijs van Seventer *Sent:* 17 February 2016 16:58 *To:* BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
*Van:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *Namens *BOGDAN Orasanu *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 *Aan:* 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org>; members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from < https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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Could you remove us as well. Met vriendelijke groet, [cid:image001.png@01D169A3.27068720] Johan Smit Operationeel Beheerder ITC ITO IS NCS T +31725487668 Postbus 6095 M 072-5487668 3503 PB Utrecht I vivatverzekeringen.nl<http://www.vivatverzekeringen.nl> [cid:image002.png@01D169A3.27068720] VIVAT Verzekeringen is een handelsnaam van VIVAT N.V., statutair gevestigd te Utrecht, KvK 30099450 Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Stuart Gilbertson | Consider IT Limited Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:46 Aan: Jane Davison CC: RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator; RIPE NCC Hostmaster; members-discuss@ripe.net Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Yes, please remove me too. All the best, Stuart Stuart Gilbertson Consider IT Limited Superior IT Support www.considerit.co.uk<http://www.considerit.co.uk/> 0131 510 0110 Please Note: This e-mail and any files that may be attached to it are for the named person's use only. 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On 17 February 2016 at 15:44, Jane Davison <jane.davison@foehn.co.uk<mailto:jane.davison@foehn.co.uk>> wrote: Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=3uoNyYc%2Bc25n&rid=33924&report=1> to report this email as spam. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ Dit e-mailbericht is alleen bestemd voor de geadresseerden. Indien dit bericht niet voor u is bedoeld, wordt u verzocht de afzender hiervan op de hoogte te stellen door het bericht te retourneren en de inhoud niet te gebruiken. This e-mail message is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient you are kindly requested not to make any use whatsoever of the contents and to notify the sender immediately by returning this e-mail message.
Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion. Thanks you Rui Magalhães Estoril Sol Digital M (ES): +34 619 618 792 M (PT): +351 917 195 135 E-mail: rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com Skype: rmmaga http://es.linkedin.com/in/rmmaga/ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Jane Davison <jane.davison@foehn.co.uk<mailto:jane.davison@foehn.co.uk>> Date: Wednesday 17 February 2016 at 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com<mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com>>, "members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>" <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>, 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>, 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=3uoNyYc%2Bc25n&rid=33924&report=1> to report this email as spam.
Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion. Thanks you Un saludo, Osiris Pardos Navarro. De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de Rui Magalhães Enviado el: miércoles, 17 de febrero de 2016 16:47 Para: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net CC: new-lir@ripe.net; members-discuss@ripe.net; hostmaster@ripe.net Asunto: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion. Thanks you Rui Magalhães Estoril Sol Digital M (ES): +34 619 618 792 M (PT): +351 917 195 135 E-mail: rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com <mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com> Skype: rmmaga http://es.linkedin.com/in/rmmaga/ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> > on behalf of Jane Davison <jane.davison@foehn.co.uk <mailto:jane.davison@foehn.co.uk> > Date: Wednesday 17 February 2016 at 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com <mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com> >, "members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> " <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >, 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net> >, 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net <mailto:new-lir@ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIRs that dont use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org> >; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> > Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> ] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro> ) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. _____ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here <https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logit em&mail_id=3uoNyYc%2Bc25n&rid=33924&report=1> to report this email as spam. No imprimir si no es necesario. Protejamos el Medio Ambiente.Este mensaje es solo para el destinatario a quien va dirigido y puede contener informacion privilegiada, profesional u otra clase de informacion privada. Si la ha recibido por error, por favor notifiquelo inmediatamente al remitente y elimine el original. Cualquier otro uso que haga de este mensaje esta prohibido, por lo que podran iniciarse todas aquellas medidas y procedimientos legales por su uso fraudulento, conforme estipula la ley.De conformidad con la L.O.P.D. 15/1999 los datos personales que facilite / ha facilitado tienen por finalidad gestionar la relacion con usted, quedando incorporados al fichero correspondiente del que somos responsables. Vd. tiene derecho al acceso, rectificacion, cancelacion y oposicion dirigiendose a la direccion social en calle Aries, Num. 6 , C.P. 03007 de ALICANTE ( Ref.: Proteccion de Datos)
Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion. Thanks you De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de redes Enviado el: miércoles, 17 de febrero de 2016 16:50 Para: 'Rui Magalhães' <rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com>; members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net CC: new-lir@ripe.net; hostmaster@ripe.net; members-discuss@ripe.net Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion. Thanks you Un saludo, Osiris Pardos Navarro. De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de Rui Magalhães Enviado el: miércoles, 17 de febrero de 2016 16:47 Para: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> CC: new-lir@ripe.net <mailto:new-lir@ripe.net> ; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net> Asunto: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion. Thanks you Rui Magalhães Estoril Sol Digital M (ES): +34 619 618 792 M (PT): +351 917 195 135 E-mail: rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com <mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com> Skype: rmmaga http://es.linkedin.com/in/rmmaga/ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> > on behalf of Jane Davison <jane.davison@foehn.co.uk <mailto:jane.davison@foehn.co.uk> > Date: Wednesday 17 February 2016 at 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com <mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com> >, "members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> " <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >, 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net> >, 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net <mailto:new-lir@ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIRs that dont use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org> >; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> > Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> ] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro> ) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. _____ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here <https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logit em&mail_id=3uoNyYc%2Bc25n&rid=33924&report=1> to report this email as spam. _____ No imprimir si no es necesario. Protejamos el Medio Ambiente. Este mensaje es solo para el destinatario a quien va dirigido y puede contener informacion privilegiada, profesional u otra clase de informacion privada. Si la ha recibido por error, por favor notifiquelo inmediatamente al remitente y elimine el original. Cualquier otro uso que haga de este mensaje esta prohibido, por lo que podran iniciarse todas aquellas medidas y procedimientos legales por su uso fraudulento, conforme estipula la ley. De conformidad con la L.O.P.D. 15/1999 los datos personales que facilite / ha facilitado tienen por finalidad gestionar la relacion con usted, quedando incorporados al fichero correspondiente del que somos responsables. Vd. tiene derecho al acceso, rectificacion, cancelacion y oposicion dirigiendose a la direccion social en calle Aries, Num. 6 , C.P. 03007 de ALICANTE ( Ref.: Proteccion de Datos)
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Thanks you Rui Magalhães Estoril Sol Digital M (ES): +34 619 618 792 M (PT): +351 917 195 135 E-mail: rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com<mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com> Skype: rmmaga http://es.linkedin.com/in/rmmaga/ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Jane Davison <jane.davison@foehn.co.uk<mailto:jane.davison@foehn.co.uk>> Date: Wednesday 17 February 2016 at 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah@dot-jo.com<mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com>>, "members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>" <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>, 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>, 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR's that don't use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia(tm) smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logitem&mail_id=3uoNyYc%2Bc25n&rid=33924&report=1> to report this email as spam.
Go to https://lirportal.ripe.net Log in. Go to "My LIR" -> "LIR Account Details" At the bottom of the page at "Subscribed Mailing Lists" Remove your E-Mail address from "NCC members discussion" Wait 12 hours or so. It's only being updated twice a day. Am 17.02.2016 um 16:44 schrieb Jane Davison:
Dears,
Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list.
I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox.
Many thanks
Jane
From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards, Omar Dallah
From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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Hi, Please, remove me from the conversation. Wysłane z iPhone'a Dnia 17.02.2016 o godz. 16:49 Markus <universe@truemetal.org> napisał(a):
Go to https://lirportal.ripe.net
Log in.
Go to "My LIR" -> "LIR Account Details"
At the bottom of the page at "Subscribed Mailing Lists"
Remove your E-Mail address from "NCC members discussion"
Wait 12 hours or so. It's only being updated twice a day.
Am 17.02.2016 um 16:44 schrieb Jane Davison: Dears,
Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list.
I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox.
Many thanks
Jane
From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards, Omar Dallah
From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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Dears, Please my email as well. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org> >; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> > Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> ] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> ; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro> ) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
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From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. Dit is een e-mail bericht van WIPA Nederland B.V.. De informatie in dit bericht is uitsluitend voor de geadresseerde bedoeld. Het gebruik van deze informatie door anderen is verboden. Indien dit bericht niet voor u bestemd is, wilt u dit bericht zonder te lezen, kopiëren of door te zenden verwijderen. Wij aanvaarden geen aansprakelijkheid voor schade in verband met gegevens en/of documenten zoals die per e-mail worden verzonden. © WIPA Nederland B.V. - All rights reserved. All product and company names referenced herein are trademarks of their respective owners. THIS COMMUNICATION IS PROVIDED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THIS COMMUNICATION IS PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED.
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*Van:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *Namens *Twana Othman *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:45 *Aan:* 'Omar Dallah' <o.dallah@dot-jo.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please my email as well.
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Omar Dallah *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' *Subject:* [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards,
Omar Dallah
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Matthijs van Seventer *Sent:* 17 February 2016 16:58 *To:* BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
*Van:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *Namens *BOGDAN Orasanu *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 *Aan:* 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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Dears,
Please my email as well.
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Omar Dallah *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' *Subject:* [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards,
Omar Dallah
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Matthijs van Seventer *Sent:* 17 February 2016 16:58 *To:* BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
*Van:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *Namens *BOGDAN Orasanu *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 *Aan:* 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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Please remove my email from the discussion email list On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Twana Othman <twana.othman@tishknet.com> wrote:
Dears,
Please my email as well.
*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Omar Dallah *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' *Subject:* [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards,
Omar Dallah
*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *Matthijs van Seventer *Sent:* 17 February 2016 16:58 *To:* BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
*Van:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *Namens *BOGDAN Orasanu *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 *Aan:* 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org>; members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from < https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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Dears, Remove my email adres as well Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Twana Othman Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:45 Aan: 'Omar Dallah' <o.dallah@dot-jo.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please my email as well. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
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Registered in England No. 04330595 From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Ruud Grave Kien ict Sent: 17 February 2016 15:48 To: members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Remove my email adres as well Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Twana Othman Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:45 Aan: 'Omar Dallah' <o.dallah@dot-jo.com<mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please my email as well. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Likewise please Kind Regards, Pat Donegan, Operations Director [NextGen Logo_transparent] Phone: +353 1 687 6506 | Mob: +353 86 811 6858 | Mail: Pat.Donegan@nextgen.ie<mailto:Pat.Donegan@nextgen.ie> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. This communication is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail you may not use, copy, disclose, distribute or retain this message or any part of it. If you have received this e-mail in error, then please contact the sender and immediately delete the message. Internet messages are not secure and we do not warrant the integrity of the message as received. Email which does not relate to the business does not reflect our Company Policy and we cannot accept any responsibility for any offence caused or suffered by receipt The NextGen Group | Registered Address: Premier Business Park, 3013 Lake Drive, City West, Dublin 24, Ireland | Phone: +353 1 687 6500
Same as the previous Le 17/02/16 16:46, Pat Donegan a écrit :
Likewise please
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*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Omar Dallah *Sent:* 17 February 2016 15:42 *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> *Subject:* [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards,
Omar Dallah
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Matthijs van Seventer *Sent:* 17 February 2016 16:58 *To:* BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
*Van:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *Namens *BOGDAN Orasanu *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 *Aan:* 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone
---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ----
Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tinycluster Team Sent: 17. februar 2016. 16:50 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Same as the previous Le 17/02/16 16:46, Pat Donegan a écrit : Likewise please Kind Regards, Pat Donegan, Operations Director [NextGen Logo_transparent] Phone: +353 1 687 6506 | Mob: +353 86 811 6858 | Mail: Pat.Donegan@nextgen.ie<mailto:Pat.Donegan@nextgen.ie> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net><mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net><mailto:new-lir@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR's that don't use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia(tm) smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. This communication is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail you may not use, copy, disclose, distribute or retain this message or any part of it. If you have received this e-mail in error, then please contact the sender and immediately delete the message. Internet messages are not secure and we do not warrant the integrity of the message as received. Email which does not relate to the business does not reflect our Company Policy and we cannot accept any responsibility for any offence caused or suffered by receipt The NextGen Group | Registered Address: Premier Business Park, 3013 Lake Drive, City West, Dublin 24, Ireland | Phone: +353 1 687 6500 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
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Alex Johnson -
David Benwell -
Dean Johnston -
Dominik Nowacki -
Eduard Mercader -
Griglio, Luca -
hasanain＠flctele.com -
Ict Mod -
ITC ITO IS NCS Network Services -
Jane Davison -
Kelly Emming - EK-Media B.V. -
Kocourek Pavel -
Manuel Rios - EasyDataHost -
Mario Wengler -
Markus -
Matthijs van Seventer -
Mundle, Gautam -
Omar Dallah -
Pat Donegan -
redes -
Rob Young -
Rui Magalhães -
Ruud Grave Kien ict -
Stuart Gilbertson | Consider IT Limited -
techno zone -
Tinycluster Team -
Twana Othman -
Wieger Bontekoe - WIPA -
Łukasz Baryła