Membership Fee Question
Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V.
Why would you want to be a member for 10 days ? Hanki Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:15:07 PM To: 'members-discuss@ripe.net' <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/raymond.jetten%40elis...
You were a member for 4 years and on upcoming year your decided to terminate the membership. ( not a new member) On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:39, Jetten Raymond <raymond.jetten@elisa.fi> wrote: Why would you want to be a member for 10 days ? Hanki Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:15:07 PM To: 'members-discuss@ripe.net' <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/raymond.jetten%40elis...
It is a "Membership"! I am not aware of any associations or organizations where a membership is pro-rated if you do not stay a member for the duration. Any benefits that you receive as a member are perks for being a member. Mahalo! James K. Brooks Treasurer/Controller 509.649.2578 The information in this e-mail is privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you received this transmission in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please do not read it. Please reply to sender and delete this e-mail. Thank you. On 2/24/2020 7:39 AM, Jetten Raymond wrote:
Why would you want to be a member for 10 days ?
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I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it.
As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount.
I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option.
You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year.
Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it.
Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year?
Kind Regards,
A.V.
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Hello, Thanks for sharing your opinion James. There are lots of organizations that don’t charge you 1 year, if you are not using their services for 1 year. And if you terminate earlier, you pay a penalty fee ( early termination fee). Also second time i see ! , maybe in polite business communication , its new rule to use !!! which i am not used to. I will adapt. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. On 24 Feb 2020, at 19:38, James Brooks <jbrooks@inlandnet.com> wrote: It is a "Membership"! I am not aware of any associations or organizations where a membership is pro-rated if you do not stay a member for the duration. Any benefits that you receive as a member are perks for being a member. Mahalo! James K. Brooks Treasurer/Controller 509.649.2578 The information in this e-mail is privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you received this transmission in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please do not read it. Please reply to sender and delete this e-mail. Thank you. On 2/24/2020 7:39 AM, Jetten Raymond wrote: Why would you want to be a member for 10 days ? Hanki Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net><mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com><mailto:ali@vargonen.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:15:07 PM To: 'members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>' <members-discuss@ripe.net><mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/raymond.jetten%40elis... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/jbrooks%40inlandnet.c... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ali%40vargonen.com
Hello, In 2019 wide discussion was initiated about project of current charging scheme. And according project voting result most members agreed to pay for whole year and waive quaterly payments. Termination fee is compensation to RIPE because RIPE yearly budjet should not be changed during year. Best Regards, Azer ----- Исходное сообщение ----- От: "Ali Vargonen" <ali@vargonen.com> Кому: "James Brooks" <jbrooks@inlandnet.com> Копия: members-discuss@ripe.net Отправлено: Понедельник, 24 Февраль 2020 г 20:03:12 Тема: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, Thanks for sharing your opinion James. There are lots of organizations that don’t charge you 1 year, if you are not using their services for 1 year. And if you terminate earlier, you pay a penalty fee ( early termination fee). Also second time i see ! , maybe in polite business communication , its new rule to use !!! which i am not used to. I will adapt. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. On 24 Feb 2020, at 19:38, James Brooks <jbrooks@inlandnet.com> wrote: It is a "Membership"! I am not aware of any associations or organizations where a membership is pro-rated if you do not stay a member for the duration. Any benefits that you receive as a member are perks for being a member. Mahalo! James K. Brooks Treasurer/Controller 509.649.2578 The information in this e-mail is privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you received this transmission in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please do not read it. Please reply to sender and delete this e-mail. Thank you. On 2/24/2020 7:39 AM, Jetten Raymond wrote: Why would you want to be a member for 10 days ? Hanki Outlook for Android From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:15:07 PM To: ' members-discuss@ripe.net ' <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/raymond.jetten%40elis... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/jbrooks%40inlandnet.c... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ali%40vargonen.com _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/azer%40karyagdy.com
Dear Azer, Thanks for your nice and detailed answer. This is what i was looking for during asking my question. I don’t understand people act aggressive and harsh, this list is made to discuss and share ideas / questions. Wish you a nice day.
On 24 Feb 2020, at 20:26, Azer Karyagdy <azer@karyagdy.com> wrote:
Hello,
In 2019 wide discussion was initiated about project of current charging scheme. And according project voting result most members agreed to pay for whole year and waive quaterly payments. Termination fee is compensation to RIPE because RIPE yearly budjet should not be changed during year.
Best Regards,
Azer
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Hello,
Thanks for sharing your opinion James.
There are lots of organizations that don’t charge you 1 year, if you are not using their services for 1 year. And if you terminate earlier, you pay a penalty fee ( early termination fee).
Also second time i see ! , maybe in polite business communication , its new rule to use !!! which i am not used to. I will adapt.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
On 24 Feb 2020, at 19:38, James Brooks <jbrooks@inlandnet.com> wrote:
It is a "Membership"! I am not aware of any associations or organizations where a membership is pro-rated if you do not stay a member for the duration. Any benefits that you receive as a member are perks for being a member.
Mahalo! James K. Brooks Treasurer/Controller
509.649.2578
The information in this e-mail is privileged and confidential. It is intended only for the use of the recipient named above. If you received this transmission in error, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please do not read it. Please reply to sender and delete this e-mail. Thank you. On 2/24/2020 7:39 AM, Jetten Raymond wrote:
Why would you want to be a member for 10 days ?
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Hello,
I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it.
As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount.
I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option.
You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year.
Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it.
Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year?
Kind Regards,
A.V.
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Hello, I think it is fair because pretty much the only members it affects are entities with multiple memberships which should not be able to get LIRs even cheaper. - Cynthia On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:15 PM Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com> wrote:
Hello,
I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it.
As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount.
I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option.
You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year.
Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it.
Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year?
Kind Regards,
A.V.
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I agree with Cynthia. Getting a LIR just for the voting periods isn't a good idea. Also, the registration fee should in any case remain the same, as the effort, even for 10 days, is the same, by the RIPE staff. However, from the timing and tone in the e-mail, I assume that you mean an existing LIR that stops the subscription on 10th of January, instead of 31st of December. In that case, I think closing the LIR a few days earlier is better, and much simpler than creating a new process for RIPE to follow that involves prorating. Antonis On Feb 24 2020, at 5:41 pm, Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Hello,
I think it is fair because pretty much the only members it affects are entities with multiple memberships which should not be able to get LIRs even cheaper.
- Cynthia
Think about two different entities in different countries. And you are merging them together in legal / operational wise. Its not a single entity with multiple memberships to make a trick to get more ios. Thanks. On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:41, Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> wrote: Hello, I think it is fair because pretty much the only members it affects are entities with multiple memberships which should not be able to get LIRs even cheaper. - Cynthia On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:15 PM Ali Vargonen <ali@vargonen.com<mailto:ali@vargonen.com>> wrote: Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re
Hello, It's because you are not paying for a service, but for a membership. https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-pro cedure-2020#2-4-fees-when-closing-lir-accounts Regards, Eric Andrei Băleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Ali Vargonen Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:15 PM To: 'members-discuss@ripe.net' <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/eric.baleanu%40interl an.ro
Hello Eric, Thanks, I also checked it; https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/previous-billing-inf... When we signed up for this entity in 2013, it was called service fee, now it’s called membership fee. Services ripe provide to us did not change, however wording is changed. I appreciate you share your thoughts in nice and polite way. On 24 Feb 2020, at 20:32, Eric Andrei Băleanu | InterLAN via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> wrote: Hello, It's because you are not paying for a service, but for a membership. https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/payment/ripe-ncc-billing-pro cedure-2020#2-4-fees-when-closing-lir-accounts Regards, Eric Andrei Băleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Ali Vargonen Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:15 PM To: 'members-discuss@ripe.net' <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/eric.baleanu%40interl an.ro _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ali%40vargonen.com
It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of others. Regards, Arash On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, 02:18 Ali Vargonen, <ali@vargonen.com> wrote:
Hello,
I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it.
As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount.
I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option.
You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year.
Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it.
Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year?
Kind Regards,
A.V.
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote:
It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of others.
...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year. Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only). If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN
I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs Regards
Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean <ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net>: On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote: It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of others.
...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year.
Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only).
If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass.
-- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN
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Did anyone got the invoice for 2020 fees?? Thanks On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:39 PM Dominic Schallert <ds@schallert.com> wrote:
I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs
Regards
Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean < ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net>:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote:
It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from
the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of
others.
...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year.
Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only).
If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass.
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Not yet, there is 2 more business days in February, and we have not received any invoices yet. From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Together pal Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM To: Dominic Schallert <ds@schallert.com> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Did anyone got the invoice for 2020 fees?? Thanks On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:39 PM Dominic Schallert <ds@schallert.com <mailto:ds@schallert.com> > wrote: I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs Regards Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean <ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net <mailto:ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net> >: On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote: It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of others. ...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year. Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only). If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds%40schallert.com _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40together-pal.c...
They are available in the member (LIR) portal From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Bora Ismen Sent: 26 February 2020 19:07 To: 'Together pal' <info@together-pal.com>; 'Dominic Schallert' <ds@schallert.com> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Not yet, there is 2 more business days in February, and we have not received any invoices yet. From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Together pal Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM To: Dominic Schallert <ds@schallert.com<mailto:ds@schallert.com>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Did anyone got the invoice for 2020 fees?? Thanks On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:39 PM Dominic Schallert <ds@schallert.com<mailto:ds@schallert.com>> wrote: I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__labs.ripe.net_statistics_number-2Dof-2Dlirs&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=BNpi6cGdcPmp9wP7gk0eut42luQ16YBpZ-5iUyKyr38&e=> Regards Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean <ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net<mailto:ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net>>: On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote: It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of others. ...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year. Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only). If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_listinfo_members-2Ddiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=d1LkUK24LmPTBWNb5TLp4yqLyp5-BK0DrBFEBKI7Dm0&e=> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds%40schallert.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_options_members-2Ddiscuss_ds-2540schallert.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=HwoU8eY3w3AU5XZ5gTfCcP-Xu45N18vxA3wEd_Y7gIw&e=> _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_listinfo_members-2Ddiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=d1LkUK24LmPTBWNb5TLp4yqLyp5-BK0DrBFEBKI7Dm0&e=> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40together-pal.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_options_members-2Ddiscuss_info-2540together-2Dpal.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=Z7jHCfLAxnS3H3OvFyOyczqNlpee1NbMin5PLkRZUts&e=>
checked yesterday and we had no invoices showing in the account. Will check Friday again.
I just got an email asking me to confirm my removal from this group even though it wasn't me who requested [image: image.png] On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 2:01 PM Bora Ismen <bora.ismen@nimbevo.com> wrote:
checked yesterday and we had no invoices showing in the account.
Will check Friday again.
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They are not available for me, could you double check your account, I also contacted RIPE two days ago but still waiting for them to answer. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:57 PM Mike Simkins <mike.simkins@sungardas.com> wrote:
*They are available in the member (LIR) portal*
*From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Bora Ismen *Sent:* 26 February 2020 19:07 *To:* 'Together pal' <info@together-pal.com>; 'Dominic Schallert' < ds@schallert.com> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
Not yet, there is 2 more business days in February, and we have not received any invoices yet.
*From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Together pal *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM *To:* Dominic Schallert <ds@schallert.com> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
Did anyone got the invoice for 2020 fees??
Thanks
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:39 PM Dominic Schallert <ds@schallert.com> wrote:
I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__labs.ripe.net_statistics_number-2Dof-2Dlirs&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=BNpi6cGdcPmp9wP7gk0eut42luQ16YBpZ-5iUyKyr38&e=>
Regards
Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean < ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net>:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote:
It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from
the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of
others.
...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year.
Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only).
If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass.
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Le 24/02/2020 à 16:15, Ali Vargonen a écrit :
Hello,
I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it.
As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount.
I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option.
You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year.
Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it.
Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year?
Kind Regards,
A.V.
Hello, I think we should more think in term of commitment. We are a community. Being a member is far more than paying for IPs (GM, training, Atlas, RPKI and a lot more). Some did forget that as v4 became a rare resource. Based on this assumption, my opinion is that it's completely fair to be billed for the whole year without consideration for the closing date of a LIR. What is a less fair is to loose all membership benefits as soon as you closed the LIR : one should be able to vote at the GM, register for training sessions, even being a WG chair until the end of paid year. Ok, perhaps isn't it mandatory to be a member for some of these but you got the point. Simple idea : ask to close your LIR AFTER the october GM and that's all. Julien
Greetings, On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, noc@altinea.fr wrote: (...)
What is a less fair is to loose all membership benefits as soon as you closed the LIR : one should be able to vote at the GM, register for training sessions, even being a WG chair until the end of paid year. Ok, perhaps isn't it mandatory to be a member for some of these but you got the point.
Maybe i've missed something, but i thought WG Chairing was community-wise, not NCC/membership-wise. (i have absolutely no idea if any of the _current_ WG Chairs are in the situation of _not_ being associated with a NCC member...) Regards, Carlos
Hi, On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:22:19AM +0000, Carlos Friaças via members-discuss wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, noc@altinea.fr wrote:
(...)
What is a less fair is to loose all membership benefits as soon as you closed the LIR : one should be able to vote at the GM, register for training sessions, even being a WG chair until the end of paid year. Ok, perhaps isn't it mandatory to be a member for some of these but you got the point.
Maybe i've missed something, but i thought WG Chairing was community-wise, not NCC/membership-wise.
It is. Attendance at RIPE meetings, joining a WG mailing list, and indeed, chairing sessions is not related to working for and/or legally representing a RIPE member.
(i have absolutely no idea if any of the _current_ WG Chairs are in the situation of _not_ being associated with a NCC member...)
Not sure right now (quite a few chairs now, and I admit that I never cared much what company name shows up on their badge, and if that company would be a RIPE member or not) - but I can attest that a few years ago, at least two WG chairs did not have ties to an NCC member, and even paid their RIPE meeting fees out of their personal accounts. So while somewhat nontypical, it does happen. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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Ali Vargonen -
Antonios Chariton (daknob) -
Arash Naderpour -
Azer Karyagdy -
Bora Ismen -
Carlos Friaças -
Cynthia Revström -
Dominic Schallert -
Eric Andrei Băleanu | InterLAN -
Gert Doering -
James Brooks -
Jetten Raymond -
Mike Simkins -
noc＠altinea.fr -
Radu-Adrian Feurdean -
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