Hi Oleg, Le 30/10/2022 à 02:56, Oleg Zinkov via members-discuss a écrit :

Along with the desire not to lose profit, one should not forget about the need to protect the resources of companies in the occupied territories.

Occupied territories means high values target can be compromised, such as INETNUM assignements as they do have some value on the open market and are (probably) necessary to rebuild the country.

The problem exists, so it is necessary to find a solution that will take into account the maximum number of factors in this dilemma.

May you please state some of the factors to be taken into account here, I'm not sure we're getting a full picture yet. Thanks, -- Jérôme Nicolle +33 6 19 31 27 14

Hey Jan, What I heard is some people consider their IPv4 as a last chance commodities, like something with an additional value in case you decide to leave the country and you're looking some goods to sell. Well, even if this approach isn't in accordance with the community requests, I cannot judge those people. Business sustainability is not the case, obviously. But I'm surprised how are the intangible assets (rights to be an IPv4 holder) good enough to be a subject of political debate. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov

On 3. 11. 2022, at 18:15, Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan@go6.si> wrote:

On 26/10/2022 18:00, Leonid Khorolets wrote:

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We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries!

Dear Leonid,

I don't understand this properly... are you selling IPv4 addresses so you can run your network and pay salaries? That doesn't seem like a sustainable business, does it? At least not for long if you are not planning to run IPv6-only network quite soon :)

Cheers, Jan

On 05/11/2022 09:55, Roman Perelshtein wrote:

Hi Jan,

Hi,

Not funny.

I did not try to be funny. My question was serious.

There are a lot of unplanned expenses when the infrastructure of your country is being destroyed. Buy more batteries solar panels and generators some equipment upgraded to the less power hungry to name some...

As a member of "Keep Ukraine Connected" initiative I'm completely aware of that, we are sending a lot of equipment to operators in Ukraine and we plan to send much more.

All of this requires money. And that is all with your customer base significantly reduced.

Just my curiosity - wasn't the outgoing transfer of money out of Ukraine forbidden?

One plus of a customer base reduction: you have the ability to sell part of your IP addresses to survive.

I'm just guessing here - the funds from sold IPv4 space goes directly to generator/battery/equipment supplier somewhere in Europe and they provide the equipment? Cheers and thnx for all you do to keep people connected in Ukraine! Jan

So yes, we are also against ban.

On 04-Nov-22 04:15, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote:

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On 26/10/2022 18:00, Leonid Khorolets wrote:

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We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Dear Leonid,

I don't understand this properly... are you selling IPv4 addresses so you can run your network and pay salaries? That doesn't seem like a sustainable business, does it? At least not for long if you are not planning to run IPv6-only network quite soon :)

Cheers, Jan

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Hi Jan, Thank you for taking part in "Keep Ukraine Connected" initiative! We'll register and try to get some help if that will be possible. As for money the outgoing transfers are not prohibited but limited and controlled. Also there is used equipment market and other ways to get some of what we need locally. On 6/11/2022 06:20, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote:

On 05/11/2022 09:55, Roman Perelshtein wrote:

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Hi Jan, Hi,

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Not funny. I did not try to be funny. My question was serious.

...

There are a lot of unplanned expenses when the infrastructure of your country is being destroyed. Buy more batteries solar panels and generators some equipment upgraded to the less power hungry to name some... As a member of "Keep Ukraine Connected" initiative I'm completely aware of that, we are sending a lot of equipment to operators in Ukraine and we plan to send much more.

...

All of this requires money. And that is all with your customer base significantly reduced. Just my curiosity - wasn't the outgoing transfer of money out of Ukraine forbidden?

...

One plus of a customer base reduction: you have the ability to sell part of your IP addresses to survive. I'm just guessing here - the funds from sold IPv4 space goes directly to generator/battery/equipment supplier somewhere in Europe and they provide the equipment?

Cheers and thnx for all you do to keep people connected in Ukraine!

Jan

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So yes, we are also against ban.

On 04-Nov-22 04:15, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote:

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On 26/10/2022 18:00, Leonid Khorolets wrote:

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We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Dear Leonid,

I don't understand this properly... are you selling IPv4 addresses so you can run your network and pay salaries? That doesn't seem like a sustainable business, does it? At least not for long if you are not planning to run IPv6-only network quite soon :)

Cheers, Jan

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