Hi Colleagues, First of all, happy Friday 13 =) Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only. For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info? Thanks. - Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom
Hi, We have received one from them as well. I would not consider is spam though. We have our own AS so we might be potentially interested in IP Transit. It was B2B anyway and wasn't hard selling. I wouldn't complain. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Andrei Kushnireuski Sent: 13 June 2014 13:12 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam Hi Colleagues, First of all, happy Friday 13 =) Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only. For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info? Thanks. - Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hi I do...and my colleagues as well...but the company number receive such spam anyway(local coc sell your info), not such big problem though. This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received.
On 2014年6月13日, at 下午2:12, Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Colleagues,
First of all, happy Friday 13 =)
Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only.
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
Thanks.
- Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom
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Not surprised, some IP brokers do the same and annoy me - The used hardware sellers are also already jumping on the RIPE DB contacts... Maybe it's time to remove phone numbers from objects and just keep mail... something for some WG at one point -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william@edisglobal.com | william@edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 13.06.2014 um 14:12 schrieb Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master@gmail.com>:
Hi Colleagues,
First of all, happy Friday 13 =)
Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only.
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
Thanks.
- Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom
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I would still prefer to have a contact number to the allocation operator though. They called me once, I don't think one call is a problem to be honest. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of William Weber Sent: 13 June 2014 13:18 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam Not surprised, some IP brokers do the same and annoy me - The used hardware sellers are also already jumping on the RIPE DB contacts... Maybe it's time to remove phone numbers from objects and just keep mail... something for some WG at one point -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william@edisglobal.com<mailto:william@edisglobal.com> | william@edis.at<mailto:william@edis.at> | http://edis.at<http://edis.at/> | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 13.06.2014 um 14:12 schrieb Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master@gmail.com<mailto:ipas.master@gmail.com>>: Hi Colleagues, First of all, happy Friday 13 =) Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only. For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info? Thanks. - Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
It probably won't stay one only tho, Cogent reps cycle like monthly and just call again and again (at least thats what Cogent Germany does with me, plus annoying on Linkedin by each and any rep) This also seems to depend on your market, Cogent in secondary markets (like Austria) seems to be more inclined to annoy ISPs than the Tier1 locations (Amsterdam, Fra..) -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william@edisglobal.com | william@edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 13.06.2014 um 14:22 schrieb Dominik Nowacki <dominik@clouvider.co.uk>:
I would still prefer to have a contact number to the allocation operator though.
They called me once, I don’t think one call is a problem to be honest.
With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki
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From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of William Weber Sent: 13 June 2014 13:18 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam
Not surprised, some IP brokers do the same and annoy me - The used hardware sellers are also already jumping on the RIPE DB contacts...
Maybe it's time to remove phone numbers from objects and just keep mail... something for some WG at one point
-- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william@edisglobal.com | william@edis.at | http://edis.at | http://as57169.net EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria
Am 13.06.2014 um 14:12 schrieb Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master@gmail.com>:
Hi Colleagues,
First of all, happy Friday 13 =)
Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only.
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
Thanks.
- Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom
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They haven't attempted any more contacts, but if they do I will be concerned. For now it's one for me and it's not a big deal for me. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of William Weber Sent: 13 June 2014 13:25 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam It probably won't stay one only tho, Cogent reps cycle like monthly and just call again and again (at least thats what Cogent Germany does with me, plus annoying on Linkedin by each and any rep) This also seems to depend on your market, Cogent in secondary markets (like Austria) seems to be more inclined to annoy ISPs than the Tier1 locations (Amsterdam, Fra..) -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william@edisglobal.com<mailto:william@edisglobal.com> | william@edis.at<mailto:william@edis.at> | http://edis.at<http://edis.at/> | http://as57169.net<http://as57169.net/> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 13.06.2014 um 14:22 schrieb Dominik Nowacki <dominik@clouvider.co.uk<mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk>>: I would still prefer to have a contact number to the allocation operator though. They called me once, I don't think one call is a problem to be honest. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of William Weber Sent: 13 June 2014 13:18 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam Not surprised, some IP brokers do the same and annoy me - The used hardware sellers are also already jumping on the RIPE DB contacts... Maybe it's time to remove phone numbers from objects and just keep mail... something for some WG at one point -- William Weber | RIPE: WW | LIR: at.edisgmbh william@edisglobal.com<mailto:william@edisglobal.com> | william@edis.at<mailto:william@edis.at> | http://edis.at<http://edis.at/> | http://as57169.net<http://as57169.net/> EDIS GmbH (AS57169) NOC Graz, Austria Am 13.06.2014 um 14:12 schrieb Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master@gmail.com<mailto:ipas.master@gmail.com>>: Hi Colleagues, First of all, happy Friday 13 =) Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only. For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info? Thanks. - Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
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Cogent have done similar naughty things before, for example they got themselves banned from PeeringDB for mining contact info (http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=174). Edward Dore Freethought Internet On 13 Jun 2014, at 13:12, Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Colleagues,
First of all, happy Friday 13 =)
Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only.
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
Thanks.
- Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom
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Hi Andrei, Whilst it is unfortunate that some companies use this data for commercial sollicitation (Cogent isn’t the only one…), the fact that the information is in the publicly-accessible RIPE database puts this information into the public domain. Although the RIPE database Terms and Conditions specifically prohibit the use of the information for commercial solicitation (Article 4, paragraph 4 refers), in practice this restriction is difficult to enforce since the data is accessible to anyone anywhere irrespective of whether or not they are RIPE members. Leland Vandervort Gandi SAS 63-65 Boulevard Massena 75013 Paris, France WWW: http://www.gandi.net/ T: +33 1 70 39 37 59 M: +33 6 31 15 15 07 On 13 Jun 2014, at 14:12, Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Colleagues,
First of all, happy Friday 13 =)
Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only.
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
Thanks.
- Andrei Kushnireuski AK1065-RIPE regID: cz.alfatelecom
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Yes, from Cogent as well. But this was in 2012 or 2013. But actually this is not a spam, but marketing/sales practice as they are paying for phone calls, staff etc. Anyway they are wasting your time. Will you complain if they will send you a paper leaflets by post? You wrote Friday, June 13, 2014, 2:12:14 PM:
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
-- Kind regards, sergey myasoedov
Hello, On 13.06.2014, at 14:12, Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: ...
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
This is true for a lot of companies that use provision based payment. As others said before, representatives change, and each of them has a 'new' and 'bright' idea to find new customers. The only thing that helps is not to respond to such offers, or complaining to their headquarters. Setting remarks in RIPE-DB is next to useless, as they employ mostly bad coded scripts to parse only the fields they need. Moving the telephone number or post-dial PIN to the remarks helps, as network admins tend to read full whois output, instead of parsed fields in excel. Matthias -- UCND United City Network Development GmbH Steingasse 23 1030 Wien, Österreich FN 188089b beim Handelsgericht Wien UID ATU 54974906 Mag. Matthias Šubik Head of Solution Design Tel.: +43 676 83820-787
Or implement some kind of captcha for anonymous requests on the web so programmatic mining without a person-object and a registered maintainer becomes trickier, and remove email / phone from the files on the ftp-site. If someone wants to get in touch they just have to solve the captcha and the information will be available. If someone wants to get data from CLI or automatic they would have to provide user-info when they do their request, or get a response with such data removed. I have no idea how large the repercursions of doing this would be though. I guess this knowledge exists on the list though. :) Oskar Stenman 2014-06-13 14:31 skrev Mag. Matthias Šubik:
Hello, On 13.06.2014, at 14:12, Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: ...
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
This is true for a lot of companies that use provision based payment. As others said before, representatives change, and each of them has a 'new' and 'bright' idea to find new customers.
The only thing that helps is not to respond to such offers, or complaining to their headquarters. Setting remarks in RIPE-DB is next to useless, as they employ mostly bad coded scripts to parse only the fields they need. Moving the telephone number or post-dial PIN to the remarks helps, as network admins tend to read full whois output, instead of parsed fields in excel.
Matthias
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Oskar, problem here is that they are real people who call, they can also solve captchas. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of oskar@cetex.se Sent: 13 June 2014 14:25 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam Or implement some kind of captcha for anonymous requests on the web so programmatic mining without a person-object and a registered maintainer becomes trickier, and remove email / phone from the files on the ftp-site. If someone wants to get in touch they just have to solve the captcha and the information will be available. If someone wants to get data from CLI or automatic they would have to provide user-info when they do their request, or get a response with such data removed. I have no idea how large the repercursions of doing this would be though. I guess this knowledge exists on the list though. :) Oskar Stenman 2014-06-13 14:31 skrev Mag. Matthias Šubik:
Hello, On 13.06.2014, at 14:12, Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: ...
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
This is true for a lot of companies that use provision based payment. As others said before, representatives change, and each of them has a 'new' and 'bright' idea to find new customers.
The only thing that helps is not to respond to such offers, or complaining to their headquarters. Setting remarks in RIPE-DB is next to useless, as they employ mostly bad coded scripts to parse only the fields they need. Moving the telephone number or post-dial PIN to the remarks helps, as network admins tend to read full whois output, instead of parsed fields in excel.
Matthias
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I agree. It depends on how they get the data. If they're manually searching the database and calling people they find they're investing some time to find the correct person and I believe that shouldn't be a big issue, but it may be annoying for those affected. If on the other hand someone automates the extraction and gives the information to a callcenter I'd be a bit disturbed by their tactics. But i guess hiding the information so it gets trickier to automate extraction would have wider consequences. Automated DMCA notifications / copyright infringement notifications / spam and other weird stuff where there isn't a person on the other end could probably decrease a bit. Oskar Stenman 2014-06-13 15:33 skrev Dominik Nowacki:
Oskar, problem here is that they are real people who call, they can also solve captchas.
With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki
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-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of oskar@cetex.se Sent: 13 June 2014 14:25 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam
Or implement some kind of captcha for anonymous requests on the web so programmatic mining without a person-object and a registered maintainer becomes trickier, and remove email / phone from the files on the ftp-site.
If someone wants to get in touch they just have to solve the captcha and the information will be available. If someone wants to get data from CLI or automatic they would have to provide user-info when they do their request, or get a response with such data removed.
I have no idea how large the repercursions of doing this would be though. I guess this knowledge exists on the list though. :)
Oskar Stenman
2014-06-13 14:31 skrev Mag. Matthias Šubik:
Hello, On 13.06.2014, at 14:12, Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: ...
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
This is true for a lot of companies that use provision based payment. As others said before, representatives change, and each of them has a 'new' and 'bright' idea to find new customers.
The only thing that helps is not to respond to such offers, or complaining to their headquarters. Setting remarks in RIPE-DB is next to useless, as they employ mostly bad coded scripts to parse only the fields they need. Moving the telephone number or post-dial PIN to the remarks helps, as network admins tend to read full whois output, instead of parsed fields in excel.
Matthias
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participants (10)
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"Mag. Matthias Šubik" -
Andrei Kushnireuski -
Dominik Nowacki -
Edward Dore -
Fahad AlShirawi -
Leland Vandervort -
Lu -
oskar＠cetex.se -
sergey myasoedov -
William Weber