Re: [members-discuss] Unsubscribing
Hello I promised, nothing more on the topic. And there aint. Many are trying to unsubscribe and many are accusing someone trying to unsubscribe them without permission/to do harm etc. I think this is simply a simple misunderstanding. When there people who say they hit time and time again the unsubscribe button and nothing helps I think you are pressing these links on the emails for example:
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_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re This is now the last rows on this matter. If I would just press this and hope to be unsubscribed, it would maybe not happen. I would try to unsubscribe Cyntia I guess? I would be left wondering that I didn’t get out of the list and Cynthia would be sending Spy´s and police after my IP 😊 Atleast im quite sure those both cant work. Either both are not working for *ME* or only one of them is working… Or then I can only unsubscribe after I have actually sent a message and I might then get this unsub link which would work for me? br. Hans Lähettäjä: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Puolesta Elad Cohen Lähetetty: maanantai 27. huhtikuuta 2020 13.59 Vastaanottaja: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re>; Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> Kopio: members-discuss@ripe.net Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Cynthia, The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden. In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list. I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread. rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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A hint to all who are trying to unsubscribe: *Your* unsubscribe link contains *your* email address. Otherwise you are trying to unsubscribe other members. rgds, Sascha Luck (up to ~30 unsubscribe confirmation emails now) On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:19:30PM +0000, Hans Govenius wrote:
Hello
I promised, nothing more on the topic. And there aint.
Many are trying to unsubscribe and many are accusing someone trying to unsubscribe them without permission/to do harm etc. I think this is simply a simple misunderstanding.
When there people who say they hit time and time again the unsubscribe button and nothing helps I think you are pressing these links on the emails for example:
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This is now the last rows on this matter. If I would just press this and hope to be unsubscribed, it would maybe not happen. I would try to unsubscribe Cyntia I guess? I would be left wondering that I didn’t get out of the list and Cynthia would be sending Spy´s and police after my IP 😊 Atleast im quite sure those both cant work. Either both are not working for *ME* or only one of them is working… Or then I can only unsubscribe after I have actually sent a message and I might then get this unsub link which would work for me?
br. Hans
Lähettäjä: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Puolesta Elad Cohen Lähetetty: maanantai 27. huhtikuuta 2020 13.59 Vastaanottaja: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re>; Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> Kopio: members-discuss@ripe.net Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
Cynthia,
The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.
In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected.
Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.
I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread.
rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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The problem is the unsubscribe only works for a short period of time before RIPE’s systems auto re-subscribe you You have to log into the RIPE LIR Portal and under My Account you can control which email addresses within your organisation are subscribed … however you have to have at least 1 member, so if you’re it your other option appear to be /dev/null via a rule or just suck it up I’m guessing it’s because RIPE mandate you must have at least 1 person from an organisation subscribed in order to discuss Membership Related issues The problem here is Elad has abused the list and is posting in the wrong place We’re all then giving him oxygen and the fire is exploding It would be better if we all just ignored the numerous threads, and RIPE woke up and did something about enforcing the rules in both directions (they’ve programmed it so we can’t unsubscribe, but they’re not policing the content so we’re at a point where a mandatory list for discussion of issues relating to MEMBERSHIP of RIPE has been taken over with what amounts to UCE and/or SPAM) just my 2c It also doesn’t help that some organisations have subscribed ticketing systems so every time you post into the members discussion group you get an auto responder :(
On 27 Apr 2020, at 13:30, Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> wrote:
A hint to all who are trying to unsubscribe:
*Your* unsubscribe link contains *your* email address. Otherwise you are trying to unsubscribe other members.
rgds, Sascha Luck (up to ~30 unsubscribe confirmation emails now)
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:19:30PM +0000, Hans Govenius wrote:
Hello
I promised, nothing more on the topic. And there aint.
Many are trying to unsubscribe and many are accusing someone trying to unsubscribe them without permission/to do harm etc. I think this is simply a simple misunderstanding.
When there people who say they hit time and time again the unsubscribe button and nothing helps I think you are pressing these links on the emails for example:
_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-md%40c4inet.net
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This is now the last rows on this matter. If I would just press this and hope to be unsubscribed, it would maybe not happen. I would try to unsubscribe Cyntia I guess? I would be left wondering that I didn’t get out of the list and Cynthia would be sending Spy´s and police after my IP 😊 Atleast im quite sure those both cant work. Either both are not working for *ME* or only one of them is working… Or then I can only unsubscribe after I have actually sent a message and I might then get this unsub link which would work for me?
br. Hans
Lähettäjä: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Puolesta Elad Cohen Lähetetty: maanantai 27. huhtikuuta 2020 13.59 Vastaanottaja: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re>; Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> Kopio: members-discuss@ripe.net Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
Cynthia,
The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.
In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected.
Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.
I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread.
rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 01:40:31PM +0100, Jon Morby wrote:
The problem is the unsubscribe only works for a short period of time before RIPE’s systems auto re-subscribe you
You have to log into the RIPE LIR Portal and under My Account you can control which email addresses within your organisation are subscribed … however you have to have at least 1 member, so if you’re it your other option appear to be /dev/null via a rule or just suck it up
In that case it may be better if the list server didn't append an unsubscribe link - or at least use a proper signature separator so it doesn't get quoted, leading to 3rd party unsub storms. (Unless someone is doing this maliciously, of course) rgds, Sascha Luck
agreed! Especially as I’m now receiving emails such as We have received a request from 31.148.228.246 <callto:31.148.228.246> for the removal of your email address, Where someone in Spain at Olivenet (in this instance) seems to have tried to unsubscribe me rather than themselves (or are they just trying to be helpful?) Either way, RIPE should probably update the footer they’re appending
On 27 Apr 2020, at 13:47, Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> wrote:
In that case it may be better if the list server didn't append an unsubscribe link - or at least use a proper signature separator so it doesn't get quoted, leading to 3rd party unsub storms. (Unless someone is doing this maliciously, of course)
rgds, Sascha Luck
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