My Question To All LIR Members

Here is a question I propose to all RIPE NCC LIR members: What is the point in remaining a LIR member of the RIPE NCC if private companies like www.maxmind.com do not have to adhere to the data that’s officially published in the NCC ip address database? If private companies are allowed to produce their own ip databases based on information not obtained in the official NCC database, why continue on with membership here? It seems pointless if a private company can completely ignore a LIR database, produce and then sell faulty databases to thousands of websites. Jared Twyler Chief Executive Officer IAPS Security Services, L.L.C. Skype: iaps_support FB: http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp Blog: http://www.jareds-blog.com Web: http://www.intl-alliance.com/store

Hi Jared, What do you mean exactly? MaxMind != RIR MaxMind is only a company who sell geolocation services based on IP Address. Being member of a RIR is a completely different thing. Also, whats wrong on the maxmind geo database? I have updated several IP blocks on Ripe Database and maxmind updated it. Best Regards, El 28/05/2014 8:55, admin@intl-alliance.com escribió:
Here is a question I propose to all RIPE NCC LIR members:
What is the point in remaining a LIR member of the RIPE NCC if private companies like www.maxmind.com do not have to adhere to the data that’s officially published in the NCC ip address database? If private companies are allowed to produce their own ip databases based on information not obtained in the official NCC database, why continue on with membership here? It seems pointless if a private company can completely ignore a LIR database, produce and then sell faulty databases to thousands of websites.
Jared Twyler Chief Executive Officer IAPS Security Services, L.L.C. Skype: iaps_support FB: http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp Blog: http://www.jareds-blog.com Web: http://www.intl-alliance.com/store
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I have already gone through the process of informing them, using their corrections form on their website, and pleading with them to update their database. For years, this worked just fine. They used to be a very cooperative company. Starting last week, they began marking huge sections of my ip addresses as anonymous proxies and completely removing any country information from them. Then these inaccuracies were then sold to all their clients and now sections of my ip ranges are all screwed up now and as a direct result of that, I lose business in my line of work. Here is the response I received from them after a very long email to them: Dear Mr. Twyler, As you're aware, we endeavor to provide accurate IP geolocation of Internet end-users and to identify proxies where possible in our IP intelligence products. We may not accept corrections to our data where we believe they do not increase the accuracy of our IP geolocation or improve proxy identification. If you'd like to communicate with our legal counsel, we invite you to email legal@maxmind.com. Regards, Jason Ketola V.P., Operations This response would have been tolerable had I been a proxy supplier. However I am not. And this company is completely unwilling to reconsider my case, even though I've informed them that they are causing me a massive loss of business by doing this. On 2014-05-28 09:10, Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca wrote:
Hi Jared,
What do you mean exactly? MaxMind != RIR
MaxMind is only a company who sell geolocation services based on IP Address. Being member of a RIR is a completely different thing.
Also, whats wrong on the maxmind geo database?
I have updated several IP blocks on Ripe Database and maxmind updated it.
Best Regards,
El 28/05/2014 8:55, admin@intl-alliance.com escribió:
Here is a question I propose to all RIPE NCC LIR members:
What is the point in remaining a LIR member of the RIPE NCC if private companies like www.maxmind.com do not have to adhere to the data that’s officially published in the NCC ip address database? If private companies are allowed to produce their own ip databases based on information not obtained in the official NCC database, why continue on with membership here? It seems pointless if a private company can completely ignore a LIR database, produce and then sell faulty databases to thousands of websites.
Jared Twyler Chief Executive Officer IAPS Security Services, L.L.C. Skype: iaps_support FB: http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp Blog: http://www.jareds-blog.com Web: http://www.intl-alliance.com/store
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-- Daniel Baeza Centro de Observación de Red Dpto. Internet y Telefonía Television Costa Blanca S.L. Telf. 966190565 WEB: http://www.tvt.es Correo: datos@tvt-datos.es
--AVISO LEGAL--
En cumplimiento de la Ley Orgánica 15/1999, de 13 de diciembre de protección de datos de carácter personal, se pone en conocimiento del destinatario del presente correo electrónico, que los datos incluidos en este mensaje, están dirigidos exclusivamente al citado destinatario cuyo nombre aparece en el encabezamiento, por lo que si usted no es la persona interesada rogamos nos comunique el error de envío y se abstenga de realizar copias del mensaje o de los datos contenidos en el mismo o remitirlo o entregarlo a otra persona, procediendo a borrarlo de inmediato. Asimismo le informamos que sus datos de correo han quedado incluidos en nuestra base de datos a fin de dirigirle, por este medio, comunicaciones comerciales, profesionales e informativas y que usted dispone de los derechos de acceso, rectificación, cancelación y especificación de los mismos, derechos que podrá hacer efectivos dirigiéndose a Televisión Costa Blanca, S.L., C/ San Policarpo 41 Bajo. C.P: 03181 Torrevieja (Alicante).
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Hi All, I have to agree with Jared to some degree. It's been months since I updated the geolocation attribute in the RIPE db, but maxmind is still distributing a totally irrelevant location info. Regards Sinan -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:10 AM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] My Question To All LIR Members Hi Jared, What do you mean exactly? MaxMind != RIR MaxMind is only a company who sell geolocation services based on IP Address. Being member of a RIR is a completely different thing. Also, whats wrong on the maxmind geo database? I have updated several IP blocks on Ripe Database and maxmind updated it. Best Regards, El 28/05/2014 8:55, admin@intl-alliance.com escribió:
Here is a question I propose to all RIPE NCC LIR members:
What is the point in remaining a LIR member of the RIPE NCC if private companies like www.maxmind.com do not have to adhere to the data that’s officially published in the NCC ip address database? If private companies are allowed to produce their own ip databases based on information not obtained in the official NCC database, why continue on with membership here? It seems pointless if a private company can completely ignore a LIR database, produce and then sell faulty databases to thousands of websites.
Jared Twyler Chief Executive Officer IAPS Security Services, L.L.C. Skype: iaps_support FB: http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp Blog: http://www.jareds-blog.com Web: http://www.intl-alliance.com/store
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-- Daniel Baeza Centro de Observación de Red Dpto. Internet y Telefonía Television Costa Blanca S.L. Telf. 966190565 WEB: http://www.tvt.es Correo: datos@tvt-datos.es --AVISO LEGAL-- En cumplimiento de la Ley Orgánica 15/1999, de 13 de diciembre de protección de datos de carácter personal, se pone en conocimiento del destinatario del presente correo electrónico, que los datos incluidos en este mensaje, están dirigidos exclusivamente al citado destinatario cuyo nombre aparece en el encabezamiento, por lo que si usted no es la persona interesada rogamos nos comunique el error de envío y se abstenga de realizar copias del mensaje o de los datos contenidos en el mismo o remitirlo o entregarlo a otra persona, procediendo a borrarlo de inmediato. Asimismo le informamos que sus datos de correo han quedado incluidos en nuestra base de datos a fin de dirigirle, por este medio, comunicaciones comerciales, profesionales e informativas y que usted dispone de los derechos de acceso, rectificación, cancelación y especificación de los mismos, derechos que podrá hacer efectivos dirigiéndose a Televisión Costa Blanca, S.L., C/ San Policarpo 41 Bajo. C.P: 03181 Torrevieja (Alicante). ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

Jared, might that be a lack of knowledge from the private companies ?? Bart On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 07:55:16 AM admin@intl-alliance.com wrote:
Here is a question I propose to all RIPE NCC LIR members:
What is the point in remaining a LIR member of the RIPE NCC if private companies like www.maxmind.com do not have to adhere to the data that’s officially published in the NCC ip address database? If private companies are allowed to produce their own ip databases based on information not obtained in the official NCC database, why continue on with membership here? It seems pointless if a private company can completely ignore a LIR database, produce and then sell faulty databases to thousands of websites.
Jared Twyler Chief Executive Officer IAPS Security Services, L.L.C. Skype: iaps_support FB: http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp Blog: http://www.jareds-blog.com Web: http://www.intl-alliance.com/store
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admin@intl-alliance.com
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Bart Teunis
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Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca
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Sinan Özşekerci