Discussion on LIRs from Donetsk Area
Dear colleagues, To clarify matters relating to the discussion on LIRs from the Donetsk area, I would like to remind you of the RIPE NCC Executive Board's resolution on continuity to service to all members. Please see the statement at: https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-boa... The RIPE NCC needs to confirm that an entity exists. Dutch law does not restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by any national authority are considered to be sufficient proof. The RIPE NCC can neither recognise nor deny one state’s authority over a region. Given the situation, the RIPE NCC is striving to facilitate the provision of its services to network operators in this area and does not wish to deny services for political reasons. Our priority remains the provision of services to all our members. kind regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC
Hi. Does it mean the RIPE NCC staff approved the documents issued in Russia with registered address in Lugansk? If I understand correctly Lugansk is not occupied/annexed officially. It’s a part of Ukraine and any provided ’non-Ukrainian’ document is a useless scrap of paper. I don’t understand how is it possible to approve same documents? What is LIR registration based on? I think this registration is a part of big problem which is shown on this page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings/RIPE
On 29 Jun 2015, at 15:53, Axel Pawlik <axel.pawlik@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
To clarify matters relating to the discussion on LIRs from the Donetsk area, I would like to remind you of the RIPE NCC Executive Board's resolution on continuity to service to all members. Please see the statement at:
https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-boa...
The RIPE NCC needs to confirm that an entity exists. Dutch law does not restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by any national authority are considered to be sufficient proof.
The RIPE NCC can neither recognise nor deny one state’s authority over a region. Given the situation, the RIPE NCC is striving to facilitate the provision of its services to network operators in this area and does not wish to deny services for political reasons.
Our priority remains the provision of services to all our members.
kind regards,
Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC
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Dear colleagues, We have reviewed the case under discussion. While the RIPE NCC cannot share private details relating to specific members, we can confirm that membership was approved in full compliance with our documented due diligence procedures: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-556 In this case, the RIPE NCC requested and received the documentation required to ensure the existence of the organisation and to prove the identity of the person signing the Standard Service Agreement. Following the discussions on this mailing list, the RIPE NCC will review its due diligence procedures and report to the membership should they need to be updated in light of current events in our service region. Finally, and as indicated during these discussions, the RIPE NCC is the sole Regional Internet Registry for its service region. We must be careful to ensure that our services are available throughout the service region to network operators who are entitled to receive them, regardless of political disputes. Kind regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC
Thank you for a quick reply and comments. It is good that procedures were followed, however 2 questions are still unclear for me. 1. Did you made any efforts to validate submitted documents? As i mentioned - i cant find matched records in the registries. Does it mean that RIPE NCC will accept any possibly spoofed documents sent by members? 2. We should respect the privacy of others, and in this case I have a question regarding data quality in RIPE DB, not a membership info: inetnum: 185.106.128.0 - 185.106.131.255 netname: RU-DNR-20150626 organisation: ORG-OISI2-RIPE org-name: "Center of Internet services in DNR" org-type: LIR address: Shevchenko str. 31 address: 83000 address: Donetsk address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION With the high probability the contact data is invalid, and that mean the violation of section 4.0 of IPv4 allocation policy (RIPE-643):
Only allocations and assignments registered in the RIPE Database are considered valid. Registration of objects in the database is the final step in making an allocation or assignment. Registration data (range, contact information, status etc.) must be correct at all times (i.e. they have to be maintained).
Did RIPE NCC consider the contact information as valid? Is there a procedure to report wrong contacts?
Hi All, I think the root of problem is either RIPE NCC Hostmaster reject or accept papers they tecnically can't check for legal status. I believe "DNR" has no on-line registry for their companies. If the default policy is "reject" - there will be really a big problem to be a part of Internet for a lot of places inside RIPE region. If the default policy is "accept" - take your beer, pop-corn and wait a bit for the first ISIS LIR. On 30.06.15 23:39, Samorukov,Alexey wrote:
Thank you for a quick reply and comments. It is good that procedures were followed, however 2 questions are still unclear for me.
1. Did you made any efforts to validate submitted documents? As i mentioned - i cant find matched records in the registries. Does it mean that RIPE NCC will accept any possibly spoofed documents sent by members?
2. We should respect the privacy of others, and in this case I have a question regarding data quality in RIPE DB, not a membership info:
inetnum: 185.106.128.0 - 185.106.131.255 netname: RU-DNR-20150626
organisation: ORG-OISI2-RIPE org-name: "Center of Internet services in DNR" org-type: LIR address: Shevchenko str. 31 address: 83000 address: Donetsk address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION
With the high probability the contact data is invalid, and that mean the violation of section 4.0 of IPv4 allocation policy (RIPE-643):
Only allocations and assignments registered in the RIPE Database are considered valid. Registration of objects in the database is the final step in making an allocation or assignment. Registration data (range, contact information, status etc.) must be correct at all times (i.e. they have to be maintained).
Did RIPE NCC consider the contact information as valid? Is there a procedure to report wrong contacts?
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Hello Alexey, all, Please allow me to comment on the relevant procedures. 1. Whilst we cannot prevent people from submitting fraudulent documents to us, we do follow extensive due diligence processes, which include validation checks, in order to confirm the actual existence of an entity or person. Should the provision of untruthful information be uncovered, we would commence proceedings to terminate that account in accordance with the procedural document "Closure of Members, Deregistration of Internet Resources and Legacy Internet Resources" available at: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-640#a122g However, I would like to reiterate Axel's confirmation that the case under discussion has been carefully reviewed and that we requested and received the documentation required to ensure the existence of the organisation and to prove the identity of the person signing the Standard Service Agreement. 2. There is no policy or procedure requiring a RIPE NCC member's postal address and phone number to be in the same country. Members can provide any contact information they choose as long as it can be used to contact them for administrative purposes. If you would like to report incorrect contact information in the RIPE Database, you can make use of the RIPE NCC Reporting procedure: https://www.ripe.net/support/contact/reporting-procedure Please let me know if you have any further questions. Kind regards, Laura Cobley RIPE NCC Customer Services Manager On 30/06/15 22:39, Samorukov,Alexey wrote:
Thank you for a quick reply and comments. It is good that procedures were followed, however 2 questions are still unclear for me.
1. Did you made any efforts to validate submitted documents? As i mentioned - i cant find matched records in the registries. Does it mean that RIPE NCC will accept any possibly spoofed documents sent by members?
2. We should respect the privacy of others, and in this case I have a question regarding data quality in RIPE DB, not a membership info:
inetnum: 185.106.128.0 - 185.106.131.255 netname: RU-DNR-20150626
organisation: ORG-OISI2-RIPE org-name: "Center of Internet services in DNR" org-type: LIR address: Shevchenko str. 31 address: 83000 address: Donetsk address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION
With the high probability the contact data is invalid, and that mean the violation of section 4.0 of IPv4 allocation policy (RIPE-643):
Only allocations and assignments registered in the RIPE Database are considered valid. Registration of objects in the database is the final step in making an allocation or assignment. Registration data (range, contact information, status etc.) must be correct at all times (i.e. they have to be maintained).
Did RIPE NCC consider the contact information as valid? Is there a procedure to report wrong contacts?
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Hi, Laura! Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:28:22 +0200: LC> 2. There is no policy or procedure requiring a RIPE NCC member's postal LC> address and phone number to be in the same country. Members can provide LC> any contact information they choose as long as it can be used to LC> contact them for administrative purposes. We do not discuss here a phone number and postal address from the same coutry What we discuss here is that the mentioned cities Donetsk or Lugansk are physically situated in Ukraine, not in Russia (as it mentioned in the organisation's last two "address" rows) organisation: ORG-OISI2-RIPE org-name: "Center of Internet services in DNR" org-type: LIR address: Shevchenko str. 31 address: 83000 address: Donetsk address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION Also if you pay attention at the postal index, you can see that it is also mentioned wrong, but defines exact city of Donetsk, situated in Ukraine http://www.uaidx.com/byidx/83001/index And "Shevchenko street" is a boulevard instead Of course, they may say, that their office is in Donetsk city, Rostovskaya district Russian Federation, but there are some disproofs: 1) postal indexes in RF are 6-digit, and the real postal code for that address is 346332 http://russianpost.su/rostovskaya/donetsk2_russia/346332 2) I don't think their office is situated in this house: https://goo.gl/maps/lCbQI LC> On 30/06/15 22:39, Samorukov,Alexey wrote: ??>> Thank you for a quick reply and comments. It is good that procedures ??>> were followed, however 2 questions are still unclear for me. 1. Did ??>> you made any efforts to validate submitted documents? As i mentioned - ??>> i cant find matched records in the registries. Does it mean that RIPE ??>> NCC will accept any possibly spoofed documents sent by members? 2. We ??>> should respect the privacy of others, and in this case I have a ??>> question regarding data quality in RIPE DB, not a membership ??>> info: inetnum: 185.106.128.0 - 185.106.131.255 netname: ??>> RU-DNR-20150626 organisation: ORG-OISI2-RIPE org-name: "Center ??>> of Internet services in DNR" org-type: LIR address: ??>> Shevchenko str. 31 address: 83000 address: ??>> Donetsk address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION With the high probability ??>> the contact data is invalid, and that mean the violation of section ??>> 4.0 of IPv4 allocation policy (RIPE-643): Only allocations and ??> ??> ??> ??> ??> ??>> as valid? Is there a procedure to report wrong contacts? ---- If you ??>> don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing ??>> list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general ??>> page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR ??>> details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or ??>> remove addresses. LC> ---- LC> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss LC> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the LC> general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ -- С бестами и регардами, Yakimus // ООО ВОКС
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