Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals
Hi, am 10.04.24 um 11:18 schrieb Simon-Jan Haytink:
The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the submission of the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 options to the upcoming RIPE NCC General Meeting for members to vote on.
- Option A - Charging Scheme as is with 22.58% price increase […]
- Option B - Charging Scheme as is with 20.97% price increase […]
- Option C - Charging Scheme as is with 16.13% price increase […]
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All three proposed models are designed to arrive at the same income of EUR 41.1 million for the RIPE NCC in 2025. This will cover all current services and activities, […]
Unlike 2023, when there was an "Option D - No Change" – keeping the Bugdet at EUR 38 million –, there no such option this time: Why? Coming from a EUR 38 million budget for 2024, reaching EUR 41.1 million would mean an increase of about 8.16%. Already in 2023 there was a call from members to revisit, actually: reduce appropriately, the spendings — when did I miss the voting on which projects to reduce and/or stop, to adjust the Budget due to the diminishing number of paying members? It's stated every now and then that RIPE NCC is a membership association. Statements like »cutting services or activities is not something the Board is planning to do« – especially reviewing yesteryear's discussion about the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 – make this sound like a hollow phrase. The membership raised concerns on an ever-growing Budget in the past — why is the Board still ignoring these? Furthermore, offering no option to express »none of the above, go back to square 1« constitutes a disturbing ignorance of expressed member's concerns. Regards, -kai -- Kai Siering Senior System Engineer mail.de GmbH Münsterstraße 3 D-33330 Gütersloh Tel.: +49 (0) 5241 / 74 34 986 Fax: +49 (0) 5241 / 74 34 987 E-Mail:k.siering@team.mail.de Web:https://mail.de/ Geschäftsführender Gesellschafter: Fabian Bock Sitz der Gesellschaft Nordhastedt Handelsregister Pinneberg HRB 8007 PI Steuernummer 18 293 20020
Hi, On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 12:42:02AM +0200, Kai Siering via members-discuss wrote:
Unlike 2023, when there was an "Option D - No Change" ??? keeping the Bugdet at EUR 38 million ???, there no such option this time: Why?
Because we do not vote about budget in the spring AGMs, only about charging scheme "how to get in the money needed to do what members expect the NCC to do". Budget and activity plan is presented in the autumn AGM. (I thought we actually voted there, but according to the minutes it's just presented and members can ask questions / ask for changes) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Ingo Lalla, Karin Schuler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hello, The main considerations for the Executive Board in proposing these three models are: 1. The consolidation of LIR accounts, which means the burden to generate sufficient income must be met by fewer accounts ... I could not participate in the GM. Is there an explanation about this thinking? By the way, is there a possibility to see a statistic, where we can see, how many LIRs use only 1 x resource, < 5 x, < 100 x, > 100 x resources. Thanks in advance. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS Bochumer Str. 20 44866 Bochum Deutschland Telefon: 0234/58825994 Telefax: 0234/58825995 www.prebits.de info@prebits.de USt-ID: DE315418902
Hi, am 11.04.24 um 10:03 schrieb Gert Doering:
Because we do not vote about budget in the spring AGMs
But obviously these things – the budget and how to adjust member's fees to reach the budgeted amount – are related, thus they should be discussed and decided on in one AGM. Especially after this year's Board statement that "cutting services or activities is not something the Board is planning to do" — in spite of members asking for adjustments since at least one year already. Being a membership association, it has to be the members, not the Board, who decide about which activities are to be funded by membership fees. Regards, -kai -- Kai Siering Senior System Engineer mail.de GmbH Münsterstraße 3 D-33330 Gütersloh Tel.: +49 (0) 5241 / 74 34 986 Fax: +49 (0) 5241 / 74 34 987 E-Mail:k.siering@team.mail.de Web:https://mail.de/ Geschäftsführender Gesellschafter: Fabian Bock Sitz der Gesellschaft Nordhastedt Handelsregister Pinneberg HRB 8007 PI Steuernummer 18 293 20020
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