Hi Henriette, Thank you for the feedback.

As this now appears to be affecting the trust of our members, we would like to provide some additional details.

That was also the reason why I stated in the last GM (Rotterdam) that the list has serviced its purpose ... and can be removed from the website. The market is mature enough by now that there is no requirement on the RIPE NCC website for 'certified' brokers as we hear from customers. It is creating more confusion than additional 'trust' .. Regards, Erik Bais On 10/12/2019, 12:06, "members-discuss on behalf of Henriette Van Ingen" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of henriette@ripe.net> wrote: Dear colleagues, As this now appears to be affecting the trust of our members, we would like to provide some additional details. On 18 November we informed Supplity that we would be terminating our agreement with them, with a notice period of 30 days (as provided for in the Recognised IPv4 Broker agreement). As we can see that they have continued to spam the community after this point, we will now remove them from the list of brokers without waiting for the end of this 30 day period. 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Hi, I would disagree that taking broker list down would make things better. Enforcement of contract terms, which was rarely done because of lack of streamlined process - is that too expensive? Does RIPE NCC spend lot of effort doing it? If we can have some online form “report broker malpractice”, wouldn’t that help? I know what we would have soon: an increased address transfer activity with no way for community to verify whether the party is legit. If they are on the list that gives some assurance at least. On the other hand we can always say that market for addresses transfers is not needed, because IPv4 is obsolete, and just move on. We can discuss it at NCC services session in Berlin as well as AP. But I don’t think that taking list down would achieve anything positive at all. Brokers may self-regulate at some point and then that list would serve no purpose but for now it doesn’t harm anyone. — dk@ Disclamer: I had never participated in broker activity and have no need for more IPv4 addresses.

On Dec 14, 2019, at 23:08, Christian Kratzer <ck-lists@cksoft.de> wrote:

I also see absolutely no value in the list of brokers and the agreements in place.

Section 6 of the broker agreement says that it can be terminated by either party with a notice period of month.

Why not just exercise this right and terminate all of these agreements that serve no valid purpose.

Greetings Christian

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