Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
It IS true. Several people can prove that. The answer of the RIPE NCC was - it is already late to change something. The presentation was forged - and personally you knew that.
-----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:29 PM To: Potapov Vladislav Cc: bangert@parknet.dk; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 06:24:22PM +0400, poty@iiat.ru wrote:
I was at the GM where the fee for independent resources was introduced. Nobody answered plain questions asked by me about why the charging scheme should be changed
Not true.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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Hi, On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 06:32:00PM +0400, poty@iiat.ru wrote:
It IS true. Several people can prove that. The answer of the RIPE NCC was - it is already late to change something. The presentation was forged - and personally you knew that.
I was there, and the change of the charging scheme was discussed for *three* consecutive meetings, and it was voted for, and received the majority of votes. The change to per-piece billing for PI and AS is came with the adoption of 2007-01 and had nothing to do whatsoever with increasing the budget (which it didn't, the LIR categories and fees were adjusted to make this neutral in regards to the overall budget). Of course there are people that do not like any change that will directly affect their business model (getting lots of PI for free and selling for money) - and this is why the change was announced well in advance, and voted for(!). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 16:32, <poty@iiat.ru> wrote:
It IS true. Several people can prove that. The answer of the RIPE NCC was - it is already late to change something. The presentation was forged - and personally you knew that.
While Gert did a good job of dismantling your factual points, I would like to add a more personal/netiquette note. If you feel that you absolutely _have_ to accuse someone not only of lying but of deliberate manipulation, please have some specific, verifiable facts at the ready to back up your claim. In this specific case, I highly doubt you have any. 2007-01 has been discussed at length prior to its voting. Coming late to the game is not an excuse to pretend your voice was ignored on purpose. Richard ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
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