Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
Hi Elad, There are 3 major differences I see here, 1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not). 2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb. 3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
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Michael, Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of. Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad. Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301....
These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project"
You can see how he is calling me there
Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ?
Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either.
And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
Cynthia,
The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.
In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------ *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM *To:* Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.
I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread.
rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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Is there any good guy that can exclude me from this conversation? It seems the unsubscribe link I used several times doesn't work and, to be honest over 170 messages from this group in last two days it's really too much thanks fof your comprehension Il 27/04/20 13:50, Cynthia Revström ha scritto:
Hi Elad,
There are 3 major differences I see here,
1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not).
2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb.
3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
START Michael,
Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of.
Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad.
Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301....
These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project"
You can see how he is calling me there
Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach <https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach> , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote:
He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ?
Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either.
And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote:
Cynthia,
The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.
In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM *To:* Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net <mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails > The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.
I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
> If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net <mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote: >I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting >with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant >disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in >the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the >RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove >those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread.
rgds, Sascha Luck
> >- Cynthia
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Wow guys there is some intense action going on here. It seems that the best way to END this is to *STOP replying and reacting*. Go do something else on the quarantine. For those who are still arguing, get a room and do it there, you dont need to spam everyone on the list. I dont care about anything you write here and this is my first and last reply to this thread. On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:02 PM TNC - Alessandro Morreale < a.morreale@tradingnetwork.it> wrote:
Is there any good guy that can exclude me from this conversation?
It seems the unsubscribe link I used several times doesn't work and, to be honest over 170 messages from this group in last two days it's really too much
thanks fof your comprehension Il 27/04/20 13:50, Cynthia Revström ha scritto:
Hi Elad,
There are 3 major differences I see here,
1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not).
2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb.
3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
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Michael,
Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of.
Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad.
Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301....
These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project"
You can see how he is calling me there
Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ?
Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM *To:* Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either.
And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote:
Cynthia,
The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.
In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected.
Respectfully, Elad ------------------------------ *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM *To:* Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.
I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread.
rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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Dear Fellow Members, Please give me a little of your time and read what I have to say. This is my first or second email and I have no axe to grind with anyone as far as I know. I always check back my Friday emails every Monday morning because I deal with people worldwide, this abomination first appeared in my inbox at 09:44 on Friday. Standing back I would say that this email chain shows up a number of deficiencies * We cannot allow Anti-Semitism in any form. * We need some kind of policing of this group email to stop abuse in whatever form it happens. * We need a mechanism that actually takes up accusations and claims because this group is losing relevance because of it. * In the same way we need someone or some people to investigate at a high level and to be able to instigate a full investigation where it is deemed necessary. * It does seem that this group has nobody in control at the present time because I for one would have put a stop to this after a couple of emails. It is not difficult to do. * In short this group need to become relevant again. I propose the following is investigated ASAP and we need a report back within 30 days: 1. Accusations of Anti-Semitism 2. Accusations against Spamhaus. I am lucky being English because English is my native language, it is complicated so I understand misunderstandings can easily happen. We need to treat this like COVID-19 and self-isolate and return in a better condition than we are now. Regards Chris Izzard Director of Commercial Operations IMC Island Ehf Skipholt 50b 105 Reykjavik Iceland PLMN Code: ISLVW Mob: +44 7968 602 280 Mob: +354 389013 343 Skype: chris.izzard From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of TNC - Alessandro Morreale Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 13:02 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Is there any good guy that can exclude me from this conversation? It seems the unsubscribe link I used several times doesn't work and, to be honest over 170 messages from this group in last two days it's really too much thanks fof your comprehension Il 27/04/20 13:50, Cynthia Revström ha scritto: Hi Elad, There are 3 major differences I see here, 1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not). 2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb. 3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
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Michael, Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of. Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad. Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.... These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project" You can see how he is calling me there Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ? Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either. And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Cynthia, The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden. In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list. I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread. rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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This is what I was suggesting in my earlier email, but probably did not say it clear enough and got shot down from the get go. anyway good luck to all and Ramadan Kareem ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Chris Izzard <chris.izzard@imcisland.is> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 4:23 PM To: TNC - Alessandro Morreale; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Dear Fellow Members, Please give me a little of your time and read what I have to say. This is my first or second email and I have no axe to grind with anyone as far as I know. I always check back my Friday emails every Monday morning because I deal with people worldwide, this abomination first appeared in my inbox at 09:44 on Friday. Standing back I would say that this email chain shows up a number of deficiencies * We cannot allow Anti-Semitism in any form. * We need some kind of policing of this group email to stop abuse in whatever form it happens. * We need a mechanism that actually takes up accusations and claims because this group is losing relevance because of it. * In the same way we need someone or some people to investigate at a high level and to be able to instigate a full investigation where it is deemed necessary. * It does seem that this group has nobody in control at the present time because I for one would have put a stop to this after a couple of emails. It is not difficult to do. * In short this group need to become relevant again. I propose the following is investigated ASAP and we need a report back within 30 days: 1. Accusations of Anti-Semitism 2. Accusations against Spamhaus. I am lucky being English because English is my native language, it is complicated so I understand misunderstandings can easily happen. We need to treat this like COVID-19 and self-isolate and return in a better condition than we are now. Regards Chris Izzard Director of Commercial Operations IMC Island Ehf Skipholt 50b 105 Reykjavik Iceland PLMN Code: ISLVW Mob: +44 7968 602 280 Mob: +354 389013 343 Skype: chris.izzard From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of TNC - Alessandro Morreale Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 13:02 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Is there any good guy that can exclude me from this conversation? It seems the unsubscribe link I used several times doesn't work and, to be honest over 170 messages from this group in last two days it's really too much thanks fof your comprehension Il 27/04/20 13:50, Cynthia Revström ha scritto: Hi Elad, There are 3 major differences I see here, 1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not). 2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb. 3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
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Michael, Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of. Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad. Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.... These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project" You can see how he is calling me there Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ? Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either. And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Cynthia, The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden. In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list. I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do
I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread. rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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This is amazing how the illegal anonymous "The Spamhaus Project" members keep twisting the facts. Cynthia, Zero evidence was provided, not even a single proof, but still you claim "lots of evidence" I didn't say that anyone is part of "The Spamhaus Project" because disagree with me, I said that anyone is part of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" because he is part of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - see how much you are personally targeting me - see how much you are protecting your sick friend RFG. Please don't interpret me - coconut means coconut - RFG is a coconut by anyone that knows him personally. Here is what your sick friend wrote: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX (his opinion on all Dutch people as a whole - "Dutch are any more inclined toward cybercrime") https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ (his opinion on all Colombian Network Operators usage of the internet as a whole - "Undoubtedly drug smuggling over HTTP") https://imgur.com/a/1ULfVEC (his opinion on the City of Chicago including all of its citizens as a whole - "American city most known for its high ideals and consistantely ethical behavior, Chicago") https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk (RFG being identified as racist in Nanog) https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz (RFG being identified as antisemitic in Nanog) RFG called me in two names that one of them you wrote, you can keep with your lies and to defend a racist and an antisemitic person - but there is something which is called context, you can see in the first link above that RFG quoted Shakespeare regarding the Netherlands, when he called me in the name that you mentioned he did it after not providing not even a single proof against me and he specially used that name - which also in Shakespeare being referred to jews - you are defending a person which is a racist and an antisemitic according to all the above links. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:50 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Hi Elad, There are 3 major differences I see here, 1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not). 2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb. 3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
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Michael, Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of. Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad. Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.... These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project" You can see how he is calling me there Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ? Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either. And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Cynthia, The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden. In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list. I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread. rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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Elad Enough now this is beyond a joke.. Please take your conversations off the list. Regards Chris Chris Lawrence Senior Solutions Architect +44 344 384 3000 +44 7775 871094 nomical.com Mezzanine Floor, No.1 Spinningfields, Quay Street, Manchester M3 3JE This email and any attachments are intended for the named recipient only. Its unauthorised use, distribution, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you have received it in error, please destroy all copies and notify the sender. In messages of a non-business nature, the views and opinions expressed are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect those of the organisation from which it is sent. All emails may be subject to monitoring. Nomical Ltd - Registered in England No: 06035958, VAT Reg No: 900363074, Registered Office: Mezzanine Floor, No.1 Spinningfields, Quay Street, Manchester M3 3JE From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Date: Monday, 27 April 2020 at 13:43 To: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re>, "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails This is amazing how the illegal anonymous "The Spamhaus Project" members keep twisting the facts. Cynthia, Zero evidence was provided, not even a single proof, but still you claim "lots of evidence" I didn't say that anyone is part of "The Spamhaus Project" because disagree with me, I said that anyone is part of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" because he is part of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - see how much you are personally targeting me - see how much you are protecting your sick friend RFG. Please don't interpret me - coconut means coconut - RFG is a coconut by anyone that knows him personally. Here is what your sick friend wrote: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX (his opinion on all Dutch people as a whole - "Dutch are any more inclined toward cybercrime") https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ (his opinion on all Colombian Network Operators usage of the internet as a whole - "Undoubtedly drug smuggling over HTTP") https://imgur.com/a/1ULfVEC (his opinion on the City of Chicago including all of its citizens as a whole - "American city most known for its high ideals and consistantely ethical behavior, Chicago") https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk (RFG being identified as racist in Nanog) https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz (RFG being identified as antisemitic in Nanog) RFG called me in two names that one of them you wrote, you can keep with your lies and to defend a racist and an antisemitic person - but there is something which is called context, you can see in the first link above that RFG quoted Shakespeare regarding the Netherlands, when he called me in the name that you mentioned he did it after not providing not even a single proof against me and he specially used that name - which also in Shakespeare being referred to jews - you are defending a person which is a racist and an antisemitic according to all the above links. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:50 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Hi Elad, There are 3 major differences I see here, 1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not). 2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb. 3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
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Michael, Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of. Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad. Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.... These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project" You can see how he is calling me there Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ? Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either. And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Cynthia, The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden. In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list. I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread. rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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Chris, This wasn't my conversation, this was my response to an attack on me. Take your fake messages off the list. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Chris Lawrence <chris.lawrence@nomical.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:44 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad Enough now this is beyond a joke.. Please take your conversations off the list. Regards Chris Chris Lawrence Senior Solutions Architect +44 344 384 3000<tel:+44%20344%20384%203000> +44 7775 871094<tel:+44%207775%20871094> nomical.com<http://nomical.com> Mezzanine Floor, No.1 Spinningfields, Quay Street, Manchester M3 3JE This email and any attachments are intended for the named recipient only. Its unauthorised use, distribution, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you have received it in error, please destroy all copies and notify the sender. In messages of a non-business nature, the views and opinions expressed are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect those of the organisation from which it is sent. All emails may be subject to monitoring. Nomical Ltd - Registered in England No: 06035958, VAT Reg No: 900363074, Registered Office: Mezzanine Floor, No.1 Spinningfields, Quay Street, Manchester M3 3JE From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> Date: Monday, 27 April 2020 at 13:43 To: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re>, "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails This is amazing how the illegal anonymous "The Spamhaus Project" members keep twisting the facts. Cynthia, Zero evidence was provided, not even a single proof, but still you claim "lots of evidence" I didn't say that anyone is part of "The Spamhaus Project" because disagree with me, I said that anyone is part of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" because he is part of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - see how much you are personally targeting me - see how much you are protecting your sick friend RFG. Please don't interpret me - coconut means coconut - RFG is a coconut by anyone that knows him personally. Here is what your sick friend wrote: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX (his opinion on all Dutch people as a whole - "Dutch are any more inclined toward cybercrime") https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ (his opinion on all Colombian Network Operators usage of the internet as a whole - "Undoubtedly drug smuggling over HTTP") https://imgur.com/a/1ULfVEC (his opinion on the City of Chicago including all of its citizens as a whole - "American city most known for its high ideals and consistantely ethical behavior, Chicago") https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk (RFG being identified as racist in Nanog) https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz (RFG being identified as antisemitic in Nanog) RFG called me in two names that one of them you wrote, you can keep with your lies and to defend a racist and an antisemitic person - but there is something which is called context, you can see in the first link above that RFG quoted Shakespeare regarding the Netherlands, when he called me in the name that you mentioned he did it after not providing not even a single proof against me and he specially used that name - which also in Shakespeare being referred to jews - you are defending a person which is a racist and an antisemitic according to all the above links. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:50 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Hi Elad, There are 3 major differences I see here, 1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not). 2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb. 3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
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Michael, Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of. Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad. Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.... These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project" You can see how he is calling me there Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ? Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either. And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Cynthia, The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden. In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected. Respectfully, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list. I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do
I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread. rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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All, This guy doesn’t know how to shut up. I would not normally do this but he is harassing me directly “off-list” and “off-topic”. The unprofessional approach he has taken to his responses should be enough to turn anyone away from him but he is now harassing me when asked not to. I have made an official complaint against him and will let the NCC deal with him. Kind regards, Ed On 27 Apr 2020, at 14:43, Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io> wrote: Chris, This wasn't my conversation, this was my response to an attack on me. Take your fake messages off the list. Respectfully, Elad From: Chris Lawrence <chris.lawrence@nomical.com <mailto:chris.lawrence@nomical.com>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 3:44 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>>; Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>>; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad Enough now this is beyond a joke.. Please take your conversations off the list. Regards Chris Chris Lawrence Senior Solutions Architect +44 344 384 3000 <tel:+44%20344%20384%203000> +44 7775 871094 <tel:+44%207775%20871094> nomical.com <http://nomical.com/> Mezzanine Floor, No.1 Spinningfields, Quay Street, Manchester M3 3JE This email and any attachments are intended for the named recipient only. Its unauthorised use, distribution, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you have received it in error, please destroy all copies and notify the sender. In messages of a non-business nature, the views and opinions expressed are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect those of the organisation from which it is sent. All emails may be subject to monitoring. Nomical Ltd - Registered in England No: 06035958, VAT Reg No: 900363074, Registered Office: Mezzanine Floor, No.1 Spinningfields, Quay Street, Manchester M3 3JE From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Date: Monday, 27 April 2020 at 13:43 To: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>>, "members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>" <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails This is amazing how the illegal anonymous "The Spamhaus Project" members keep twisting the facts. Cynthia, Zero evidence was provided, not even a single proof, but still you claim "lots of evidence" I didn't say that anyone is part of "The Spamhaus Project" because disagree with me, I said that anyone is part of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" because he is part of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - see how much you are personally targeting me - see how much you are protecting your sick friend RFG. Please don't interpret me - coconut means coconut - RFG is a coconut by anyone that knows him personally. Here is what your sick friend wrote: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX <https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX> (his opinion on all Dutch people as a whole - "Dutch are any more inclined toward cybercrime") https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ <https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ> (his opinion on all Colombian Network Operators usage of the internet as a whole - "Undoubtedly drug smuggling over HTTP") https://imgur.com/a/1ULfVEC <https://imgur.com/a/1ULfVEC> (his opinion on the City of Chicago including all of its citizens as a whole - "American city most known for its high ideals and consistantely ethical behavior, Chicago") https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk <https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk> (RFG being identified as racist in Nanog) https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz <https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz> (RFG being identified as antisemitic in Nanog) RFG called me in two names that one of them you wrote, you can keep with your lies and to defend a racist and an antisemitic person - but there is something which is called context, you can see in the first link above that RFG quoted Shakespeare regarding the Netherlands, when he called me in the name that you mentioned he did it after not providing not even a single proof against me and he specially used that name - which also in Shakespeare being referred to jews - you are defending a person which is a racist and an antisemitic according to all the above links. Respectfully, Elad From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:50 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>>; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Hi Elad, There are 3 major differences I see here, 1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents) Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not). 2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb. 3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.
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Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of. Respectfully, Elad
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Please just stop it Elad. Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.... <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.html> These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project" You can see how he is calling me there Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account:https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach <https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach> , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community. Respectfully, Elad From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ? Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else. Respectfully, Elad From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either. And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar. Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Cynthia, The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden. In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected. Respectfully, Elad From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re <mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net <mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility.
AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list. I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs. Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.
If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community?
There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit. Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed. - Cynthia On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net <mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality" on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs' responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the community? I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet seen in this thread. rgds, Sascha Luck
- Cynthia
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Chris Izzard -
Chris Lawrence -
Cynthia Revström -
Ed Campbell -
Elad Cohen -
Munir Badr -
Timothy Allen Roy -
TNC - Alessandro Morreale