Re: [members-discuss] Request to amend the RIPE NCC Articles of Association
25 Jun 2014 19:35 lists-ripe@c4inet.net a vote without debate leaves a bad taste, be it in $parliament or at the NCC AGM. Indeed, it is not far away from a jury delivering a verdict before the evidence has been presented.
Nobody said no debate. At the moment you can vote without listening to the debate, what difference does it make being allowed to do the same the day before? I think it's unreasonable to insist all voters have to sit through it before being allowed to vote at all but if it is necessary (need a vote on that :) then lock the doors, anyone who leaves loses their vote, allow only physical votes. brandon
Hi All, I do believe candidates should have the opportunity to convince voters. What a point of them producing themselves and convincing the voters, if say half of them has already voted. I'm fine with 24 hours vote time but in my opinion there should be no voting before the debate. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. Original Message From: Brandon Butterworth Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014 21:36 To: brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk; lists-ripe@c4inet.net Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to amend the RIPE NCC Articles of Association
25 Jun 2014 19:35 lists-ripe@c4inet.net a vote without debate leaves a bad taste, be it in $parliament or at the NCC AGM. Indeed, it is not far away from a jury delivering a verdict before the evidence has been presented.
Nobody said no debate. At the moment you can vote without listening to the debate, what difference does it make being allowed to do the same the day before? I think it's unreasonable to insist all voters have to sit through it before being allowed to vote at all but if it is necessary (need a vote on that :) then lock the doors, anyone who leaves loses their vote, allow only physical votes. brandon ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hi All, RIPE68 was my first RIPE meeting and after reading all the emails going back and forth it seems to me if the Candidates want your vote then they should have their presentation or at least their reasons for running for election posted well in advance as well. I found that actually waiting for the presentations and then listening to the comments did not sway my opinion on my voting for the Board Candidates but then there is not much time to really think about it at the GM. As for electronic voting, I am all for it in principle and I really do not care about anonymity as I am not voting for the leader of a country or a member of congress (in which there could be reprisal against you for who or what you vote for). Since there is already electronic voting for non-attendees (which their votes should count because they may have very specific reasons for not being able to attend) then for the attendees it should be a 12hr window for them to cast their vote electronically after the GM discussions. This should also allow for enough time for the announcement to be made at the RIPE meeting either the morning of the last day or the evening of the day before. Let's Face it, no matter what the decision is, not everyone will like it and that is a fact of life. As someone else mentioned in the emails, maybe we should have an electronic vote on whether to go fully electronic or not and the time frame to vote. Best Regards and Ramadan Kareem to All Tim -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Dominik Nowacki Sent: 26 June 2014 01:05 Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to amend the RIPE NCC Articles of Association Hi All, I do believe candidates should have the opportunity to convince voters. What a point of them producing themselves and convincing the voters, if say half of them has already voted. I'm fine with 24 hours vote time but in my opinion there should be no voting before the debate. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. Original Message From: Brandon Butterworth Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014 21:36 To: brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk; lists-ripe@c4inet.net Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to amend the RIPE NCC Articles of Association
25 Jun 2014 19:35 lists-ripe@c4inet.net a vote without debate leaves a bad taste, be it in $parliament or at the NCC AGM. Indeed, it is not far away from a jury delivering a verdict before the evidence has been presented.
Nobody said no debate. At the moment you can vote without listening to the debate, what difference does it make being allowed to do the same the day before? I think it's unreasonable to insist all voters have to sit through it before being allowed to vote at all but if it is necessary (need a vote on that :) then lock the doors, anyone who leaves loses their vote, allow only physical votes. brandon ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hello, In every voting process there are people who decide early (knowing the matter very well), have questions to resolve before deciding, decided in random ... and many-many other "types" of people. The democracy is not to force all people to go all the way to the end, but to allow them make their choice according to their believes. Those who need to ask questions and get more information will sit on the GM and ask, listen to, think... Those who had already decided (there are a lot of information before a GM) can vote early. Nobody will be restricted. Regards, Vladislav -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Dominik Nowacki Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:05 AM Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to amend the RIPE NCC Articles of Association Hi All, I do believe candidates should have the opportunity to convince voters. What a point of them producing themselves and convincing the voters, if say half of them has already voted. I'm fine with 24 hours vote time but in my opinion there should be no voting before the debate. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. Original Message From: Brandon Butterworth Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014 21:36 To: brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk; lists-ripe@c4inet.net Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to amend the RIPE NCC Articles of Association
25 Jun 2014 19:35 lists-ripe@c4inet.net a vote without debate leaves a bad taste, be it in $parliament or at the NCC AGM. Indeed, it is not far away from a jury delivering a verdict before the evidence has been presented.
Nobody said no debate. At the moment you can vote without listening to the debate, what difference does it make being allowed to do the same the day before? I think it's unreasonable to insist all voters have to sit through it before being allowed to vote at all but if it is necessary (need a vote on that :) then lock the doors, anyone who leaves loses their vote, allow only physical votes. brandon ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
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Brandon Butterworth -
Dominik Nowacki -
poty＠iiat.ru -
Timothy Roy