Re: [members-discuss] LIR???s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
Can you please show me a successful implementation of NAT in a medium sized datacenter? I am quite curious. Also, how about companies that have a dormant /8 which they don’t even announce ? I think you should be angry over them, for having millions of IPv4 unused, and not over us, who have a few thousands. I think they are the ones you refer to as stealing the future of other companies, right ? — Petru Bunea / CEO suport@bunea.eu <mailto:suport@bunea.eu> / +40752481282 <tel:+40752481282> Bunea TELECOM / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT http://www.bunea.eu <http://www.bunea.eu/> / +40745495495 <tel:+40745495495>
On 4 Dec 2018, at 15:50, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de> wrote:
You can’t avoid NAT, because there are not enough IPv4’s for everybody. You can’t change this, because the IPv4 pool is limited by technical standards. So you either implement NAT or move to IPv6. The best advice is to do both.
Faking LIRs for RIPE in order to grab legacy IP space is stealing the future of other companies.
Von: Bunea TELECOM <suport@bunea.eu <mailto:suport@bunea.eu>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2018 14:16 An: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] LIR???s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
Hello Lutz,
Perhaps you should also offer some advice for us, we run a datacenter and we are very curious how we can evolve without having to open up multiple LIR accounts? I don’t think NAT is a solution, so I am waiting for your answer.
Thanks —
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On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:50, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> wrote:
Because I need more addresses to offer to my customers. Purchasing addresses from open market is risky. Thats why I open new LIRs.
You are doing it wrong.
Please learn how to operate an ISP in modern times. Two hints: - https://lutz.donnerhacke.de/eng/content/search?SearchText=NAT <https://lutz.donnerhacke.de/eng/content/search?SearchText=NAT> (use deepl.com <http://deepl.com/>) - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6540 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6540>
But please stop wasting tight resources by incompetence. And please stop stealing resources from others by tricking RIPE policies.
Please note, that your message is enough to reclaim the illegal obtained resources back by RIPE NCC. That's one of the activities we pay them for. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu>
The crux of your argument is fundamentally about extending the useful life of IPv4 - something that has been attempted for 20+ years, the fact that we have lasted so long is a miracle in itself… Really we should be asking why such poor uptake of IPv6 and how can we solve that fundamental issue? Dual-Stack Lite is probably one of the better transition mechanisms out there at this point from an IPv6 accessing legacy IPv4 sites perspective - but these only really help the customer side rather than DC side It seems Facebook uses SIIT-DC to translate IPv4 accesses to IPv6 for transit accross their internal network (https://superuser.com/questions/1259994/can-i-reach-my-ipv6-website-via-ipv4 <https://superuser.com/questions/1259994/can-i-reach-my-ipv6-website-via-ipv4>) which might work depending on the use case
On 4 Dec 2018, at 15:53, Bunea TELECOM <suport@bunea.eu> wrote:
Can you please show me a successful implementation of NAT in a medium sized datacenter? I am quite curious.
Also, how about companies that have a dormant /8 which they don’t even announce ? I think you should be angry over them, for having millions of IPv4 unused, and not over us, who have a few thousands. I think they are the ones you refer to as stealing the future of other companies, right ?
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On 4 Dec 2018, at 15:50, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> wrote:
You can’t avoid NAT, because there are not enough IPv4’s for everybody. You can’t change this, because the IPv4 pool is limited by technical standards. So you either implement NAT or move to IPv6. The best advice is to do both.
Faking LIRs for RIPE in order to grab legacy IP space is stealing the future of other companies.
Von: Bunea TELECOM <suport@bunea.eu <mailto:suport@bunea.eu>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2018 14:16 An: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] LIR???s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
Hello Lutz,
Perhaps you should also offer some advice for us, we run a datacenter and we are very curious how we can evolve without having to open up multiple LIR accounts? I don’t think NAT is a solution, so I am waiting for your answer.
Thanks —
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Petru Bunea / CEO suport@bunea.eu <mailto:suport@bunea.eu> / +40752481282 <tel:+40752481282> Bunea TELECOM / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT http://www.bunea.eu <http://www.bunea.eu/> / +40745495495 <tel:+40745495495>
On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:50, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> wrote:
Because I need more addresses to offer to my customers. Purchasing addresses from open market is risky. Thats why I open new LIRs.
You are doing it wrong.
Please learn how to operate an ISP in modern times. Two hints: - https://lutz.donnerhacke.de/eng/content/search?SearchText=NAT <https://lutz.donnerhacke.de/eng/content/search?SearchText=NAT> (use deepl.com <http://deepl.com/>) - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6540 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6540>
But please stop wasting tight resources by incompetence. And please stop stealing resources from others by tricking RIPE policies.
Please note, that your message is enough to reclaim the illegal obtained resources back by RIPE NCC. That's one of the activities we pay them for. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu>
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Hi Anthony, can you please, after you transfer your resources to beloved IPv6, as you describe in your last post, transfer some of your IPv4 space? thank you so much! s pozdravem Tomáš Tyll AmigoNet s.r.o. +420605880880
On 4 Dec 2018, at 15:40, Anthony Somerset <anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net> wrote:
The crux of your argument is fundamentally about extending the useful life of IPv4 - something that has been attempted for 20+ years, the fact that we have lasted so long is a miracle in itself…
Really we should be asking why such poor uptake of IPv6 and how can we solve that fundamental issue?
Dual-Stack Lite is probably one of the better transition mechanisms out there at this point from an IPv6 accessing legacy IPv4 sites perspective - but these only really help the customer side rather than DC side
It seems Facebook uses SIIT-DC to translate IPv4 accesses to IPv6 for transit accross their internal network (https://superuser.com/questions/1259994/can-i-reach-my-ipv6-website-via-ipv4 <https://superuser.com/questions/1259994/can-i-reach-my-ipv6-website-via-ipv4>) which might work depending on the use case
On 4 Dec 2018, at 15:53, Bunea TELECOM <suport@bunea.eu <mailto:suport@bunea.eu>> wrote:
Can you please show me a successful implementation of NAT in a medium sized datacenter? I am quite curious.
Also, how about companies that have a dormant /8 which they don’t even announce ? I think you should be angry over them, for having millions of IPv4 unused, and not over us, who have a few thousands. I think they are the ones you refer to as stealing the future of other companies, right ?
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Petru Bunea / CEO suport@bunea.eu <mailto:suport@bunea.eu> / +40752481282 <tel:+40752481282> Bunea TELECOM / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT http://www.bunea.eu <http://www.bunea.eu/> / +40745495495 <tel:+40745495495>
On 4 Dec 2018, at 15:50, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> wrote:
You can’t avoid NAT, because there are not enough IPv4’s for everybody. You can’t change this, because the IPv4 pool is limited by technical standards. So you either implement NAT or move to IPv6. The best advice is to do both.
Faking LIRs for RIPE in order to grab legacy IP space is stealing the future of other companies.
Von: Bunea TELECOM <suport@bunea.eu <mailto:suport@bunea.eu>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2018 14:16 An: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] LIR???s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
Hello Lutz,
Perhaps you should also offer some advice for us, we run a datacenter and we are very curious how we can evolve without having to open up multiple LIR accounts? I don’t think NAT is a solution, so I am waiting for your answer.
Thanks —
<image001.jpg>
Petru Bunea / CEO suport@bunea.eu <mailto:suport@bunea.eu> / +40752481282 <tel:+40752481282> Bunea TELECOM / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT http://www.bunea.eu <http://www.bunea.eu/> / +40745495495 <tel:+40745495495>
On 4 Dec 2018, at 14:50, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de <mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> wrote:
Because I need more addresses to offer to my customers. Purchasing addresses from open market is risky. Thats why I open new LIRs.
You are doing it wrong.
Please learn how to operate an ISP in modern times. Two hints: - https://lutz.donnerhacke.de/eng/content/search?SearchText=NAT <https://lutz.donnerhacke.de/eng/content/search?SearchText=NAT> (use deepl.com <http://deepl.com/>) - https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6540 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6540>
But please stop wasting tight resources by incompetence. And please stop stealing resources from others by tricking RIPE policies.
Please note, that your message is enough to reclaim the illegal obtained resources back by RIPE NCC. That's one of the activities we pay them for. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu>
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