Dear RIPE NCC, members, I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken. I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC. But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status. Thank you. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
Just received their spam also, AFAIK first time. No action taken so far. Cheers Michel Michel LannersCIOLU-CIX Management GIE On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 1:07 PM +0100, "Sergey Myasoedov" <kaa@net-art.cz> wrote: Dear RIPE NCC, members, I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken. I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC. But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status. Thank you. --Kind regards,Sergey Myasoedov Dear RIPE NCC, members, I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken. I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC. But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status. Thank you. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/michel.lanners%40lu-c...
On 16 Nov 2019, at 13:04, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz> wrote:
Dear RIPE NCC, members,
I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.
I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.
But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status.
Hi, We've seen a number of spam mails from Supplicity in the last two days, all targeted at email addresses only used in the RIPE DB, so it's clear where they get their addresses from. To make it worse, they're actually using RIPE as sales argument in their spam: "SUPPLITY recently registered as an official broker for RIPE, because we were based in the area that the IPv4 transferring business is growing, and Your organization abroad has commercial potential in its unused IPv4 addresses." I have no idea what this 'offical broker' status means, but spamming RIPE members should be a good reason to revoke it. Regards, -- Teun Vink BIT | teun@bit.nl | +31 318 648 688 KvK: 09090351 | GPG: 0xFC8B25D6 | RIPE: TEUN-RIPE
Same here,Multiple contacs from Supplicity. No prior business.Best RegardsChristianVon meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet. -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------Von: Teun Vink <teun@bit.nl> Datum: 16.11.19 13:29 (GMT+01:00) An: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers > On 16 Nov 2019, at 13:04, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz> wrote:> > Dear RIPE NCC, members,> > I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.> > I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.> > But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status.Hi,We've seen a number of spam mails from Supplicity in the last two days, all targeted at email addresses only used in the RIPE DB, so it's clear where they get their addresses from.To make it worse, they're actually using RIPE as sales argument in their spam: "SUPPLITY recently registered as an official broker for RIPE, because we were based in the area that the IPv4 transferring business is growing, and Your organization abroad has commercial potential in its unused IPv4 addresses."I have no idea what this 'offical broker' status means, but spamming RIPE members should be a good reason to revoke it.Regards,-- Teun VinkBIT | teun@bit.nl | +31 318 648 688KvK: 09090351 | GPG: 0xFC8B25D6 | RIPE: TEUN-RIPE_______________________________________________members-discuss mailing listmembers-discuss@ripe.nethttps://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discussUnsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/christian.kroeger%40o...
RIPE’s legal team need to enforce usage -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Alexander Zubkov <green@msu.ru> Date: Saturday 16 November 2019 at 16:21 To: "Christian.kroeger" <Christian.kroeger@onnet-communications.de>, Teun Vink <teun@bit.nl>, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz> Cc: "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers And they also dare to use RIPE logo at their FB page. https://www.facebook.com/Supplity-IPv4-Broker-418131872267198/ 16.11.2019, 16:44, "Christian.kroeger" <christian.kroeger@onnet-communications.de>: Same here, Multiple contacs from Supplicity. No prior business. Best Regards Christian Von meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet. -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: Teun Vink <teun@bit.nl<mailto:teun@bit.nl>> Datum: 16.11.19 13:29 (GMT+01:00) An: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz<mailto:kaa@net-art.cz>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
On 16 Nov 2019, at 13:04, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz<mailto:kaa@net-art.cz>> wrote:
Dear RIPE NCC, members,
I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.
I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.
But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status.
Hi, We've seen a number of spam mails from Supplicity in the last two days, all targeted at email addresses only used in the RIPE DB, so it's clear where they get their addresses from. To make it worse, they're actually using RIPE as sales argument in their spam: "SUPPLITY recently registered as an official broker for RIPE, because we were based in the area that the IPv4 transferring business is growing, and Your organization abroad has commercial potential in its unused IPv4 addresses." I have no idea what this 'offical broker' status means, but spamming RIPE members should be a good reason to revoke it. Regards, -- Teun Vink BIT | teun@bit.nl<mailto:teun@bit.nl> | +31 318 648 688 KvK: 09090351 | GPG: 0xFC8B25D6 | RIPE: TEUN-RIPE _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/christian.kroeger%40o... , _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/green%40msu.ru
Dear members, For confidentiality reasons, we are not always able to give an update on the status of a particular case. However, we do take all reports about brokers seriously and follow up where appropriate. More generally, we would like to highlight that we will be applying a stricter approach to the recognised IPv4 brokers that are listed on our website. In the past, when we received reports about a broker, we first aimed to work with them to make sure they understood the community's expectations. It is worth noting here that it can often be hard to prove absolutely that contact information was taken from a certain place or by a certain party. However, as the list of brokers has grown, so has the number of unsolicited emails and complaints from our members. While we see some value in listing brokers who have agreed to follow a few basic requirements, we do not want to list those who regularly violate community norms and antagonise our members. Article 6 of the Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement states that we can cancel the agreement for any reason with a one-month notice period. Moving forward, we plan to exercise this option more frequently when we receive complaints involving the brokers on our website, including reports of spamming or RIPE Database abuse. Best Regards, Henriette van Ingen Customer Services Manager RIPE NCC
On 18 Nov 2019, at 11:05, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
RIPE’s legal team need to enforce usage
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ <https://www.blacknight.com/> https://blacknight.blog/ <https://blacknight.blog/> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ <https://michele.blog/> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ <https://ceo.hosting/> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Alexander Zubkov <green@msu.ru <mailto:green@msu.ru>> Date: Saturday 16 November 2019 at 16:21 To: "Christian.kroeger" <Christian.kroeger@onnet-communications.de <mailto:Christian.kroeger@onnet-communications.de>>, Teun Vink <teun@bit.nl <mailto:teun@bit.nl>>, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz <mailto:kaa@net-art.cz>> Cc: "members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>" <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
And they also dare to use RIPE logo at their FB page. https://www.facebook.com/Supplity-IPv4-Broker-418131872267198/ <https://www.facebook.com/Supplity-IPv4-Broker-418131872267198/>
16.11.2019, 16:44, "Christian.kroeger" <christian.kroeger@onnet-communications.de <mailto:christian.kroeger@onnet-communications.de>>:
Same here,
Multiple contacs from Supplicity. No prior business.
Best Regards Christian
Von meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet.
-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: Teun Vink <teun@bit.nl <mailto:teun@bit.nl>> Datum: 16.11.19 13:29 (GMT+01:00) An: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz <mailto:kaa@net-art.cz>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
On 16 Nov 2019, at 13:04, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz <mailto:kaa@net-art.cz>> wrote:
Dear RIPE NCC, members,
I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.
I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.
But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status.
Hi,
We've seen a number of spam mails from Supplicity in the last two days, all targeted at email addresses only used in the RIPE DB, so it's clear where they get their addresses from.
To make it worse, they're actually using RIPE as sales argument in their spam:
"SUPPLITY recently registered as an official broker for RIPE, because we were based in the area that the IPv4 transferring business is growing, and Your organization abroad has commercial potential in its unused IPv4 addresses."
I have no idea what this 'offical broker' status means, but spamming RIPE members should be a good reason to revoke it.
Regards, -- Teun Vink BIT | teun@bit.nl <mailto:teun@bit.nl> | +31 318 648 688 KvK: 09090351 | GPG: 0xFC8B25D6 | RIPE: TEUN-RIPE _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/christian.kroeger%40o... <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/christian.kroeger%40onnet-communications.de> , _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/green%40msu.ru <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/green%40msu.ru>_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/henriette%40ripe.net <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/henriette%40ripe.net>
I've asked the exec-board @RIPE during the AGM in Rotterdam to review the status of the Broker page as it has serviced its purpose and currently end-customer are confused by the page as it is presented as a certified Broker status with the RIPE NCC. The RIPE NCC isn't responsible for the actions of any of the companies listed on the RIPE website, but as it is currently confusing for end-customers, it is best to take it down in my opinion. I hope that the Exec Board will take swift action on that. Regards, Erik Bais On 16/11/2019, 13:36, "members-discuss on behalf of Teun Vink" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of teun@bit.nl> wrote: > On 16 Nov 2019, at 13:04, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz> wrote: > > Dear RIPE NCC, members, > > I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken. > > I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC. > > But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status. Hi, We've seen a number of spam mails from Supplicity in the last two days, all targeted at email addresses only used in the RIPE DB, so it's clear where they get their addresses from. To make it worse, they're actually using RIPE as sales argument in their spam: "SUPPLITY recently registered as an official broker for RIPE, because we were based in the area that the IPv4 transferring business is growing, and Your organization abroad has commercial potential in its unused IPv4 addresses." I have no idea what this 'offical broker' status means, but spamming RIPE members should be a good reason to revoke it. Regards, -- Teun Vink BIT | teun@bit.nl | +31 318 648 688 KvK: 09090351 | GPG: 0xFC8B25D6 | RIPE: TEUN-RIPE _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ebais%40a2b-internet....
Hi, On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:49:50AM +0000, Erik Bais wrote:
I've asked the exec-board @RIPE during the AGM in Rotterdam to review the status of the Broker page as it has serviced its purpose and currently end-customer are confused by the page as it is presented as a certified Broker status with the RIPE NCC.
The RIPE NCC isn't responsible for the actions of any of the companies listed on the RIPE website, but as it is currently confusing for end-customers, it is best to take it down in my opinion.
I disagree with you here. The NCC has a contract with some of the brokers, making them "certified Brokers" - and if these violate their contract, it's the NCCs duty to revoke said certification. The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi,
The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
+1 Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and penalties for breaking the rules. Cheers, Sander
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi,
The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
+1
Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and penalties for breaking the rules.
Hi, Are there any strict rules *today*? Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*? Cheers, Carlos
Cheers, Sander
26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net>:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi,
The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
+1
Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and penalties for breaking the rules.
There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" link to it is available on the brokers list page: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brok... https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brok... But the Supplity is still there, despite: 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents ... 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. 6. This agreement shall be terminated: * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of their obligations as outlined in this agreement ... And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages. PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason you find suitable). May be it will help.
Hi,
Are there any strict rules *today*?
Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*?
Cheers, Carlos
Cheers, Sander
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Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also pulling contact data from https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html Regards ### BEGIN ### -------- Forwarded Message ------- From: "Schurr Networks" <contact@jerseypride.org> To: xxxx Date: 27. November 2019 11:13 Subject: Acquire IPv4 Greetings, Hope this email finds you well. We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease IPv4 addresses. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. -- Kind regards, Alexandra Schurr You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database Webinar Unsubscribe ### END ### -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green@msu.ru> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, members-discuss@ripe.net CC: exec-board@ripe.net Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37 Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net>:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi,
The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
+1
Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and penalties for breaking the rules.
There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" link to it is available on the brokers list page: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brok... https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brok... greement.doc But the Supplity is still there, despite: 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents ... 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. 6. This agreement shall be terminated: * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of their obligations as outlined in this agreement ... And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages. PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason you find suitable). May be it will help.
Hi,
Are there any strict rules *today*?
Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*?
Cheers, Carlos
Cheers, Sander
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Hi all, we also received the same mail today. Regards Stefan -- Zentrale T +49 731 92013 - 0 F +49 731 92013 - 290 E info@scanplus.de scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH, Lise-Meitner-Str. 5-7, 89081 Ulm Geschäftsführung: Jürgen Hörmann, Andreas Werther Datenschutzbeauftragter: Thomas Dietrich scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH sind zertifiziert nach DIN EN ISO 9001:2015, ISO/IEC 27001:2013, Data Center Category TIER 3, scanplus GmbH Amtsgericht Ulm HRB 3220,www.scanplus.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von ds@schallert.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55 An: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also pulling contact data from https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html Regards ### BEGIN ### -------- Forwarded Message ------- From: "Schurr Networks" <contact@jerseypride.org> To: xxxx Date: 27. November 2019 11:13 Subject: Acquire IPv4 Greetings, Hope this email finds you well. We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease IPv4 addresses. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. -- Kind regards, Alexandra Schurr You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database Webinar Unsubscribe ### END ### -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green@msu.ru> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, members-discuss@ripe.net CC: exec-board@ripe.net Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37 Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net>:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi,
The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
+1
Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and penalties for breaking the rules.
There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" link to it is available on the brokers list page: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brok... https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brok... greement.doc But the Supplity is still there, despite: 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents ... 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. 6. This agreement shall be terminated: * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of their obligations as outlined in this agreement ... And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages. PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason you find suitable). May be it will help.
Hi,
Are there any strict rules *today*?
Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*?
Cheers, Carlos
Cheers, Sander
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Me too. I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no idea if this is fraud or not. To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction of IP addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source. Max Maxemilian Hilbrand (Software & Systeme) CH: +41 71 511 722 0 AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54 maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com isicore AG • Unterlettenstrasse 14 • CH-9443 Widnau Gerichtsstandort CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078 Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand www.isicore.com I info@isicore.com -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Netmaster Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 14:03 An: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers Hi all, we also received the same mail today. Regards Stefan -- Zentrale T +49 731 92013 - 0 F +49 731 92013 - 290 E info@scanplus.de scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH, Lise-Meitner-Str. 5-7, 89081 Ulm Geschäftsführung: Jürgen Hörmann, Andreas Werther Datenschutzbeauftragter: Thomas Dietrich scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH sind zertifiziert nach DIN EN ISO 9001:2015, ISO/IEC 27001:2013, Data Center Category TIER 3, scanplus GmbH Amtsgericht Ulm HRB 3220,www.scanplus.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von ds@schallert.com Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55 An: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also pulling contact data from https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html Regards ### BEGIN ### -------- Forwarded Message ------- From: "Schurr Networks" <contact@jerseypride.org> To: xxxx Date: 27. November 2019 11:13 Subject: Acquire IPv4 Greetings, Hope this email finds you well. We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease IPv4 addresses. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. -- Kind regards, Alexandra Schurr You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database Webinar Unsubscribe ### END ### -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green@msu.ru> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, members-discuss@ripe.net CC: exec-board@ripe.net Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37 Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net>:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi,
The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
+1
Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and penalties for breaking the rules.
There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" link to it is available on the brokers list page: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brok... https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brok... greement.doc But the Supplity is still there, despite: 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents ... 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. 6. This agreement shall be terminated: * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of their obligations as outlined in this agreement ... And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages. PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason you find suitable). May be it will help.
Hi,
Are there any strict rules *today*?
Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*?
Cheers, Carlos
Cheers, Sander
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Hi, I see no reasons why there should be "RIPE certified brokers" or similar. They are making profit with "selling" public resources. That's a business which should not be supported by RIPE. Best regards On 27.11.19 14:45, Maxemilian Hilbrand wrote: > Me too. > > I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no idea if this is fraud or not. > > To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction of IP addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source. > > Max > > > Maxemilian Hilbrand (Software & Systeme) > > CH: +41 71 511 722 0 > AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54 > maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com > > isicore AG • Unterlettenstrasse 14 • CH-9443 Widnau > Gerichtsstandort CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078 > Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand > > www.isicore.com I info@isicore.com > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Netmaster > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 14:03 > An: members-discuss@ripe.net > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers > > Hi all, > > we also received the same mail today. > > Regards > Stefan > > > > > -- > > Zentrale > T +49 731 92013 - 0 > F +49 731 92013 - 290 > E info@scanplus.de > > scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH, > Lise-Meitner-Str. 5-7, 89081 Ulm > Geschäftsführung: Jürgen Hörmann, Andreas Werther > Datenschutzbeauftragter: Thomas Dietrich scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH sind zertifiziert nach DIN EN ISO 9001:2015, ISO/IEC 27001:2013, Data Center Category TIER 3, scanplus GmbH Amtsgericht Ulm HRB 3220,www.scanplus.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von ds@schallert.com > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55 > An: members-discuss@ripe.net > Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers > > Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also pulling contact data from https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html > > Regards > > > > ### BEGIN ### > > -------- Forwarded Message ------- > From: "Schurr Networks" <contact@jerseypride.org> > To: xxxx > Date: 27. November 2019 11:13 > Subject: Acquire IPv4 > > Greetings, > > > Hope this email finds you well. > > We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease IPv4 addresses. > > Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. > > > -- > > Kind regards, > > Alexandra Schurr > > > You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database Webinar > > Unsubscribe > > > ### END ### > > > > -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- > Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green@msu.ru> > An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, members-discuss@ripe.net > CC: exec-board@ripe.net > Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37 > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net>: > >> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote: >> >>> Hi, >> The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed >> a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently >> less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract. >>> +1 >>> >>> Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it >>> gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list >>> is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and >>> penalties for breaking the rules. > There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" link to it is available on the brokers list page: > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brokers > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brokers/RecognisedIPv4Broker > greement.doc > But the Supplity is still there, despite: > 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents ... > 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. > 6. This agreement shall be terminated: > * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of their obligations as outlined in this agreement ... > > And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages. > > PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason you find suitable). May be it will help. > >> Hi, >> >> Are there any strict rules *today*? >> >> Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*? >> >> Cheers, >> Carlos >> >>> Cheers, >>> Sander >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/green@msu.ru > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds@schallert.com > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/netmaster%40scanplus.de > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/max%40isicore.com > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lists%40velder.li
Hi, I don't understand RIPE NCC's actions as "support", instead i see it as simple "acknowledgement". And in case you haven't noticed, "They" are also RIPE NCC members, some even several times... :-) Cheers, Carlos On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Patrick Velder wrote: > Hi, > > I see no reasons why there should be "RIPE certified brokers" or similar. > They are making profit with "selling" public resources. That's a business > which should not be supported by RIPE. > > Best regards > > On 27.11.19 14:45, Maxemilian Hilbrand wrote: >> Me too. >> >> I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no idea if >> this is fraud or not. >> >> To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction of IP >> addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source. >> >> Max >> >> >> Maxemilian Hilbrand (Software & Systeme) >> >> CH: +41 71 511 722 0 >> AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54 >> maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com >> >> isicore AG ? Unterlettenstrasse 14 ? CH-9443 Widnau >> Gerichtsstandort CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078 >> Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand >> >> www.isicore.com I info@isicore.com >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von >> Netmaster >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 14:03 >> An: members-discuss@ripe.net >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers >> >> Hi all, >> >> we also received the same mail today. >> >> Regards >> Stefan >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Zentrale >> T +49 731 92013 - 0 >> F +49 731 92013 - 290 >> E info@scanplus.de >> >> scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH, >> Lise-Meitner-Str. 5-7, 89081 Ulm >> Geschäftsführung: Jürgen Hörmann, Andreas Werther >> Datenschutzbeauftragter: Thomas Dietrich scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH >> sind zertifiziert nach DIN EN ISO 9001:2015, ISO/IEC 27001:2013, Data >> Center Category TIER 3, scanplus GmbH Amtsgericht Ulm HRB >> 3220,www.scanplus.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von >> ds@schallert.com >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55 >> An: members-discuss@ripe.net >> Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers >> >> Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also pulling >> contact data from https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> ### BEGIN ### >> >> -------- Forwarded Message ------- >> From: "Schurr Networks" <contact@jerseypride.org> >> To: xxxx >> Date: 27. November 2019 11:13 >> Subject: Acquire IPv4 >> >> Greetings, >> >> >> Hope this email finds you well. >> >> We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease IPv4 >> addresses. >> >> Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. >> >> >> -- >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Alexandra Schurr >> >> >> You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database Webinar >> >> Unsubscribe >> >> >> ### END ### >> >> >> >> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- >> Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green@msu.ru> >> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, members-discuss@ripe.net >> CC: exec-board@ripe.net >> Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37 >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers 26.11.2019, >> 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net>: >> >>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>> The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed >>> a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently >>> less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract. >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it >>>> gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list >>>> is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and >>>> penalties for breaking the rules. >> There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" >> link to it is available on the brokers list page: >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brokers >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brokers/RecognisedIPv4Broker >> greement.doc >> But the Supplity is still there, despite: >> 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC >> procedural documents ... >> 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or create >> the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. >> 6. This agreement shall be terminated: >> * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of their >> obligations as outlined in this agreement ... >> >> And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its >> Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting e-mail >> on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE DB to collect >> e-mails to send their spam messages. >> >> PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks like they >> are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for zillions of >> reports. So who can - please make more reports about their page: (...) -> >> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake Pages -> Pretending to be >> Another Business (or another report reason you find suitable). May be it >> will help. >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Are there any strict rules *today*? >>> >>> Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carlos >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Sander >>> _______________________________________________ >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss@ripe.net >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/green@msu.ru >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds@schallert.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/netmaster%40scanplus.de >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/max%40isicore.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lists%40velder.li > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lir%40fccn.pt >
My stance on this is below. Why should a private company be allowed to make profit on public IP Space. Even the UK Government sells its IP Space to private companies for Profit (Public selling Public IP Space to private companies is a JOKE Remember, IP Space is not owned by the LIR but allocated by Ripe. So how and why is it allowed by a LIR to sell something that is not owned by them? If a LIR no longer needs IP Space then return it to RIPE. This is why IPV4 ran out due to RIPEs poor management policy. IF I could vote no confidence in the ripe board for allowing such business to take place, I would vote now. I'll go rent a car park space shall I, be allocated a space and then go sell it for 500x the rent price. Members need to step up here and instead of saying this has been discussed before, get on and make this change or the same will happen with IPv6 in years to come. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Carlos Friaças via members-discuss Sent: 27 November 2019 23:44 To: Patrick Velder <lists@velder.li> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [LIR] Re: Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers Hi, I don't understand RIPE NCC's actions as "support", instead i see it as simple "acknowledgement". And in case you haven't noticed, "They" are also RIPE NCC members, some even several times... :-) Cheers, Carlos On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Patrick Velder wrote: > Hi, > > I see no reasons why there should be "RIPE certified brokers" or similar. > They are making profit with "selling" public resources. That's a > business which should not be supported by RIPE. > > Best regards > > On 27.11.19 14:45, Maxemilian Hilbrand wrote: >> Me too. >> >> I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no >> idea if this is fraud or not. >> >> To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction >> of IP addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source. >> >> Max >> >> >> Maxemilian Hilbrand (Software & Systeme) >> >> CH: +41 71 511 722 0 >> AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54 >> maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com >> >> isicore AG ? Unterlettenstrasse 14 ? CH-9443 Widnau Gerichtsstandort >> CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078 >> Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand >> >> www.isicore.com I info@isicore.com >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag >> von Netmaster >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 14:03 >> An: members-discuss@ripe.net >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by >> brokers >> >> Hi all, >> >> we also received the same mail today. >> >> Regards >> Stefan >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Zentrale >> T +49 731 92013 - 0 >> F +49 731 92013 - 290 >> E info@scanplus.de >> >> scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH, >> Lise-Meitner-Str. 5-7, 89081 Ulm >> Geschäftsführung: Jürgen Hörmann, Andreas Werther >> Datenschutzbeauftragter: Thomas Dietrich scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus >> GmbH sind zertifiziert nach DIN EN ISO 9001:2015, ISO/IEC 27001:2013, >> Data Center Category TIER 3, scanplus GmbH Amtsgericht Ulm HRB >> 3220,www.scanplus.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag >> von ds@schallert.com >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55 >> An: members-discuss@ripe.net >> Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers >> >> Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also >> pulling contact data from >> https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> ### BEGIN ### >> >> -------- Forwarded Message ------- >> From: "Schurr Networks" <contact@jerseypride.org> >> To: xxxx >> Date: 27. November 2019 11:13 >> Subject: Acquire IPv4 >> >> Greetings, >> >> >> Hope this email finds you well. >> >> We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease >> IPv4 addresses. >> >> Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. >> >> >> -- >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Alexandra Schurr >> >> >> You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database >> Webinar >> >> Unsubscribe >> >> >> ### END ### >> >> >> >> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- >> Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green@msu.ru> >> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, members-discuss@ripe.net >> CC: exec-board@ripe.net >> Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37 >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers >> 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net>: >> >>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>> The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have >>> signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is >>> inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract. >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it >>>> gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the >>>> list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules >>>> and penalties for breaking the rules. >> There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" >> link to it is available on the brokers list page: >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-merge >> rs/brokers >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-merge >> rs/brokers/RecognisedIPv4Broker >> greement.doc >> But the Supplity is still there, despite: >> 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC >> procedural documents ... >> 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or >> create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. >> 6. This agreement shall be terminated: >> * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of >> their obligations as outlined in this agreement ... >> >> And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its >> Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting >> e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE >> DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages. >> >> PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks >> like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for >> zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about >> their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake >> Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason >> you find suitable). May be it will help. >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Are there any strict rules *today*? >>> >>> Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carlos >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Sander >>> _______________________________________________ >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss@ripe.net >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/green@msu.ru >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds@schallert.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/netmaster%40sc >> anplus.de _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/max%40isicore. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lists%40velder >> .li > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lir%40fccn.pt >
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Consider IT Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 08:47, Dave Benwell via members-discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net> wrote: > My stance on this is below. > > Why should a private company be allowed to make profit on public IP Space. > > Even the UK Government sells its IP Space to private companies for Profit > (Public selling Public IP Space to private companies is a JOKE > > Remember, IP Space is not owned by the LIR but allocated by Ripe. So how > and why is it allowed by a LIR to sell something that is not owned by them? > > If a LIR no longer needs IP Space then return it to RIPE. > > This is why IPV4 ran out due to RIPEs poor management policy. > > IF I could vote no confidence in the ripe board for allowing such business > to take place, I would vote now. > > I'll go rent a car park space shall I, be allocated a space and then go > sell it for 500x the rent price. > > Members need to step up here and instead of saying this has been discussed > before, get on and make this change or the same will happen with IPv6 in > years to come. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf > Of Carlos Friaças via members-discuss > Sent: 27 November 2019 23:44 > To: Patrick Velder <lists@velder.li> > Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [LIR] Re: Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by > brokers > > > > Hi, > > I don't understand RIPE NCC's actions as "support", instead i see it as > simple "acknowledgement". > > And in case you haven't noticed, "They" are also RIPE NCC members, some > even several times... :-) > > Cheers, > Carlos > > > > On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Patrick Velder wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I see no reasons why there should be "RIPE certified brokers" or similar. > > They are making profit with "selling" public resources. That's a > > business which should not be supported by RIPE. > > > > Best regards > > > > On 27.11.19 14:45, Maxemilian Hilbrand wrote: > >> Me too. > >> > >> I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no > >> idea if this is fraud or not. > >> > >> To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction > >> of IP addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source. > >> > >> Max > >> > >> > >> Maxemilian Hilbrand (Software & Systeme) > >> > >> CH: +41 71 511 722 0 > >> AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54 > >> maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com > >> > >> isicore AG ? Unterlettenstrasse 14 ? CH-9443 Widnau Gerichtsstandort > >> CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078 > >> Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand > >> > >> www.isicore.com I info@isicore.com > >> > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag > >> von Netmaster > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 14:03 > >> An: members-discuss@ripe.net > >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by > >> brokers > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> we also received the same mail today. > >> > >> Regards > >> Stefan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Zentrale > >> T +49 731 92013 - 0 > >> F +49 731 92013 - 290 > >> E info@scanplus.de > >> > >> scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH, > >> Lise-Meitner-Str. 5-7, 89081 Ulm > >> Geschäftsführung: Jürgen Hörmann, Andreas Werther > >> Datenschutzbeauftragter: Thomas Dietrich scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus > >> GmbH sind zertifiziert nach DIN EN ISO 9001:2015, ISO/IEC 27001:2013, > >> Data Center Category TIER 3, scanplus GmbH Amtsgericht Ulm HRB > >> 3220,www.scanplus.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag > >> von ds@schallert.com > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55 > >> An: members-discuss@ripe.net > >> Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers > >> > >> Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also > >> pulling contact data from > >> https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> > >> ### BEGIN ### > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message ------- > >> From: "Schurr Networks" <contact@jerseypride.org> > >> To: xxxx > >> Date: 27. November 2019 11:13 > >> Subject: Acquire IPv4 > >> > >> Greetings, > >> > >> > >> Hope this email finds you well. > >> > >> We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease > >> IPv4 addresses. > >> > >> Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> > >> Alexandra Schurr > >> > >> > >> You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database > >> Webinar > >> > >> Unsubscribe > >> > >> > >> ### END ### > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- > >> Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green@msu.ru> > >> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, members-discuss@ripe.net > >> CC: exec-board@ripe.net > >> Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37 > >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers > >> 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" < > members-discuss@ripe.net>: > >> > >>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>> The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have > >>> signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is > >>> inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract. > >>>> +1 > >>>> > >>>> Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it > >>>> gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the > >>>> list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules > >>>> and penalties for breaking the rules. > >> There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker > Agreement" > >> link to it is available on the brokers list page: > >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-merge > >> rs/brokers > >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-merge > >> rs/brokers/RecognisedIPv4Broker > >> greement.doc > >> But the Supplity is still there, despite: > >> 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC > >> procedural documents ... > >> 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or > >> create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. > >> 6. This agreement shall be terminated: > >> * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of > >> their obligations as outlined in this agreement ... > >> > >> And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its > >> Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting > >> e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE > >> DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages. > >> > >> PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks > >> like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for > >> zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about > >> their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake > >> Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason > >> you find suitable). May be it will help. > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Are there any strict rules *today*? > >>> > >>> Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) > *today*? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Carlos > >>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Sander > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> members-discuss mailing list > >>> members-discuss@ripe.net > >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > >>> Unsubscribe: > >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/green@msu.ru > >> _______________________________________________ > >> members-discuss mailing list > >> members-discuss@ripe.net > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > >> Unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds@schallert.c > >> om > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> members-discuss mailing list > >> members-discuss@ripe.net > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > >> Unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/netmaster%40sc > >> anplus.de _______________________________________________ > >> members-discuss mailing list > >> members-discuss@ripe.net > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > >> Unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/max%40isicore. > >> com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> members-discuss mailing list > >> members-discuss@ripe.net > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > >> Unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lists%40velder > >> .li > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lir%40fccn.pt > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stuart.gilbertson%40considerit.co.uk >
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Consider IT Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 08:47, Dave Benwell via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> wrote: My stance on this is below. Why should a private company be allowed to make profit on public IP Space. Even the UK Government sells its IP Space to private companies for Profit (Public selling Public IP Space to private companies is a JOKE Remember, IP Space is not owned by the LIR but allocated by Ripe. So how and why is it allowed by a LIR to sell something that is not owned by them? If a LIR no longer needs IP Space then return it to RIPE. This is why IPV4 ran out due to RIPEs poor management policy. IF I could vote no confidence in the ripe board for allowing such business to take place, I would vote now. I'll go rent a car park space shall I, be allocated a space and then go sell it for 500x the rent price. Members need to step up here and instead of saying this has been discussed before, get on and make this change or the same will happen with IPv6 in years to come. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Carlos Friaças via members-discuss Sent: 27 November 2019 23:44 To: Patrick Velder <lists@velder.li<mailto:lists@velder.li>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [LIR] Re: Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers Hi, I don't understand RIPE NCC's actions as "support", instead i see it as simple "acknowledgement". And in case you haven't noticed, "They" are also RIPE NCC members, some even several times... :-) Cheers, Carlos On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Patrick Velder wrote: > Hi, > > I see no reasons why there should be "RIPE certified brokers" or similar. > They are making profit with "selling" public resources. That's a > business which should not be supported by RIPE. > > Best regards > > On 27.11.19 14:45, Maxemilian Hilbrand wrote: >> Me too. >> >> I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no >> idea if this is fraud or not. >> >> To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction >> of IP addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source. >> >> Max >> >> >> Maxemilian Hilbrand (Software & Systeme) >> >> CH: +41 71 511 722 0 >> AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54 >> maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com<mailto:maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com> >> >> isicore AG ? Unterlettenstrasse 14 ? CH-9443 Widnau Gerichtsstandort >> CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078 >> Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand >> >> www.isicore.com<http://www.isicore.com> I info@isicore.com<mailto:info@isicore.com> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> Im Auftrag >> von Netmaster >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 14:03 >> An: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by >> brokers >> >> Hi all, >> >> we also received the same mail today. >> >> Regards >> Stefan >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Zentrale >> T +49 731 92013 - 0 >> F +49 731 92013 - 290 >> E info@scanplus.de<mailto:info@scanplus.de> >> >> scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH, >> Lise-Meitner-Str. 5-7, 89081 Ulm >> Geschäftsführung: Jürgen Hörmann, Andreas Werther >> Datenschutzbeauftragter: Thomas Dietrich scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus >> GmbH sind zertifiziert nach DIN EN ISO 9001:2015, ISO/IEC 27001:2013, >> Data Center Category TIER 3, scanplus GmbH Amtsgericht Ulm HRB >> 3220,www.scanplus.de<http://www.scanplus.de> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> Im Auftrag >> von ds@schallert.com<mailto:ds@schallert.com> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55 >> An: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >> Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers >> >> Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also >> pulling contact data from >> https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> ### BEGIN ### >> >> -------- Forwarded Message ------- >> From: "Schurr Networks" <contact@jerseypride.org<mailto:contact@jerseypride.org>> >> To: xxxx >> Date: 27. November 2019 11:13 >> Subject: Acquire IPv4 >> >> Greetings, >> >> >> Hope this email finds you well. >> >> We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease >> IPv4 addresses. >> >> Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. >> >> >> -- >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Alexandra Schurr >> >> >> You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database >> Webinar >> >> Unsubscribe >> >> >> ### END ### >> >> >> >> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- >> Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green@msu.ru<mailto:green@msu.ru>> >> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas@fccn.pt<mailto:cfriacas@fccn.pt>>, members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >> CC: exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net> >> Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37 >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers >> 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>: >> >>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>> The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have >>> signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is >>> inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract. >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it >>>> gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the >>>> list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules >>>> and penalties for breaking the rules. >> There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" >> link to it is available on the brokers list page: >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-merge >> rs/brokers >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-merge >> rs/brokers/RecognisedIPv4Broker >> greement.doc >> But the Supplity is still there, despite: >> 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC >> procedural documents ... >> 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or >> create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC. >> 6. This agreement shall be terminated: >> * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of >> their obligations as outlined in this agreement ... >> >> And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its >> Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting >> e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE >> DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages. >> >> PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks >> like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for >> zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about >> their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake >> Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason >> you find suitable). May be it will help. >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Are there any strict rules *today*? >>> >>> Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carlos >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Sander >>> _______________________________________________ >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/green@msu.ru >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds@schallert.c >> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/netmaster%40sc >> anplus.de<http://anplus.de> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/max%40isicore. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lists%40velder >> .li > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lir%40fccn.pt > _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stuart.gilbertson%40considerit.co.uk
Hi, On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 08:45:56AM +0000, Dave Benwell via members-discuss wrote:
This is why IPV4 ran out due to RIPEs poor management policy. [..] or the same will happen with IPv6 in years to come.
Learn math. Then come back. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi,
I've asked the exec-board @RIPE during the AGM in Rotterdam to review the status of the Broker page as it has serviced its purpose and currently end-customer are confused by the page as it is presented as a certified Broker status with the RIPE NCC.
The RIPE NCC isn't responsible for the actions of any of the companies listed on the RIPE website, but as it is currently confusing for end-customers, it is best to take it down in my opinion.
In contrast, after the AGM I sent an email to the Exec Board suggesting they consider retaining it. I'm also fed up with broker spam, whether it's via email from companies like Supplity, or Twitter replies to discussion on IPv4 run-out from IPv4 Escrow. However, I have suggested to my customers that should they want to engage in the murky world of address sales, as either a buyer or a seller, it's better to use one of the brokers that have agreed to abide by the NCC's rules, than one which hasn't. Cheers, Rob
We also received the same email from him last week two times. Regards Atif Naveed Sr. Specialist IGW/ISP Core Network Operations D:+966-11511-1263 E:a.naveed@go.com.sa www.go.com.sa<http://www.go.com.sa> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 3:05 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers Dear RIPE NCC, members, I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken. I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC. But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status. Thank you. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov [cid:image001.png@01D59C96.84F69E40]
Thank you Sergey for bringing this up. I received it too on an address only in the database, and was about to write my usual response to these about the misuse of the DB, and promising them all possible legal problems if i would see 1 more... I dont see the point for the ripe NCC to keep a list of brokers on the website if some of them do not even follow the rules. Free advertizing ? Lets change that list into a list of shame, remove the brokers that comply with the rules, and warn the community about misbehaving (proven like this one) brokers... I'm sure that if someone needs an IPv4 broker they know how to use search engines. Rgds Ray. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ Kohteesta: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> henkilön Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz> puolesta Lähetetty: lauantaina 16. marraskuuta 2019 klo 14.07 Vastaanottaja: members-discuss@ripe.net Aihe: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers Dear RIPE NCC, members, I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken. I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC. But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status. Thank you. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov [cid:1CC04EA1-28D1-4821-96A7-DBEFB9124D51@openvpn]
Hi, We periodically answer queries from brokers. One of the reasons we do this is to let them know we are overseeing our IP address space, so it's not a good idea for them to impersonate our organization (with the goal of a future sell) or try to hijack some slices. Something i have also seen is at least one example of a listed broker which has entered insolvency (court ruling is public) but after a long time, it's still listed *today*. Insolvency is one of the reasons the contract with the NCC is to be "terminated with immediate effect". I don't have a problem with having a public list, as long as the RIPE NCC handles reports/claims from those who become victims of any of the list's members -- i.e. by evaluating the reports/claims and updating the list... Cheers, Carlos On Sat, 16 Nov 2019, Jetten Raymond wrote:
Thank you Sergey for bringing this up. I received it too on an address only in the database, and was about to write my usual response to these about the misuse of the DB, and promising them all possible legal problems if i would see 1 more...
I dont see the point for the ripe NCC to keep a list of brokers on the website if some of them do not even follow the rules. Free advertizing ?
Lets change that list into a list of shame, remove the brokers that comply with the rules, and warn the community about misbehaving (proven like this one) brokers...
I'm sure that if someone needs an IPv4 broker they know how to use search engines.
Rgds Ray.
Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Kohteesta: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> henkilön Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz> puolesta Lähetetty: lauantaina 16. marraskuuta 2019 klo 14.07 Vastaanottaja: members-discuss@ripe.net Aihe: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
Dear RIPE NCC, members, I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.
I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.
But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status.
Thank you.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
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Hi Raymond, As far as they're using RIPE NCC website as a advertisement platform, I believe they should be compliant with the RIPE policies. I can agree with some feeling of 'recognition' of the brokers can be useful even for their promotion. But Supplity isn't compliant with the policies. I got first spam message from them in January 2019. RIPE NCC's ticket #190448 lasts since June 2019, nothing really happened to them. It is really sad to me that someone is using RIPE DB as a email database for marketing purposes. OTOH, there was a proposal to completely remove brokers' list off the RIPE NCC website. I would rather disagree as there will be at least kinda tool for making non-compliance with RIPE[ NCC/DB] policies painful. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
On 16 Nov 2019, at 23:28, Jetten Raymond <raymond.jetten@elisa.fi> wrote:
Thank you Sergey for bringing this up. I received it too on an address only in the database, and was about to write my usual response to these about the misuse of the DB, and promising them all possible legal problems if i would see 1 more...
I dont see the point for the ripe NCC to keep a list of brokers on the website if some of them do not even follow the rules. Free advertizing ?
Lets change that list into a list of shame, remove the brokers that comply with the rules, and warn the community about misbehaving (proven like this one) brokers...
I'm sure that if someone needs an IPv4 broker they know how to use search engines.
Rgds Ray.
Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone.
Kohteesta: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> henkilön Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz> puolesta Lähetetty: lauantaina 16. marraskuuta 2019 klo 14.07 Vastaanottaja: members-discuss@ripe.net Aihe: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
Dear RIPE NCC, members,
I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.
I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.
But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status.
Thank you.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
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Den 2019-11-18 07:53 skrev "members-discuss på uppdrag av Sergey Myasoedov" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net på uppdrag av kaa@net-art.cz> följande:
It is really sad to me that someone is using RIPE DB as a email database for marketing purposes.
I have some resources listed to me personally, as well as being tech-c for a few older employers, I believe it is due to this that I've increasingly seen brokers try to buy or even rent(!) (a certain indicator of business model originated at a bad idea BoF) space from me. My private email address is old, well-known to spammers and search engines and also is on Nanog-L which of course makes it impossible to prove that it is due to ripedb harvesting. But it really took off when the "last /8 policy" went into effect, and new blocks became impossible to get (except if you use shell companies to start new LIRen at a rate most other people change underwear; not that any member would do that, oh no...), so I think it is a real problem, related to ripedb, and that the NCC should try to identify the guilty and at least name and shame. -- Måns Nilsson SVT +46 8 7848628
Hello everyone, Not only broker is doing that, but some transit operator do it too. Cogent mail and try to call every new ASN i sponsor to sale bandwidth. And it's an T&C abuse too if i read what you tell there. Best Regards Cedric Rossius Le 21-11-19 à 22:51, Måns Nilsson a écrit :
Den 2019-11-18 07:53 skrev "members-discuss på uppdrag av Sergey Myasoedov" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net på uppdrag av kaa@net-art.cz> följande:
It is really sad to me that someone is using RIPE DB as a email database for marketing purposes.
I have some resources listed to me personally, as well as being tech-c for a few older employers, I believe it is due to this that I've increasingly seen brokers try to buy or even rent(!) (a certain indicator of business model originated at a bad idea BoF) space from me. My private email address is old, well-known to spammers and search engines and also is on Nanog-L which of course makes it impossible to prove that it is due to ripedb harvesting.
But it really took off when the "last /8 policy" went into effect, and new blocks became impossible to get (except if you use shell companies to start new LIRen at a rate most other people change underwear; not that any member would do that, oh no...), so I think it is a real problem, related to ripedb, and that the NCC should try to identify the guilty and at least name and shame.
-- Måns Nilsson SVT +46 8 7848628
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And here is a recent action how ARIN handles Cogent: https://www.arin.net/vault/about_us/corp_docs/20200106_whois_tos_violation.p... Am Fr., 22. Nov. 2019 um 16:34 Uhr schrieb Cedric R via members-discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net>:
Hello everyone, Not only broker is doing that, but some transit operator do it too. Cogent mail and try to call every new ASN i sponsor to sale bandwidth. And it's an T&C abuse too if i read what you tell there.
Best Regards Cedric Rossius
Le 21-11-19 à 22:51, Måns Nilsson a écrit :
Den 2019-11-18 07:53 skrev "members-discuss på uppdrag av Sergey Myasoedov" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net på uppdrag av kaa@net-art.cz> följande:
It is really sad to me that someone is using RIPE DB as a email
database for marketing purposes. I have some resources listed to me personally, as well as being tech-c for a few older employers, I believe it is due to this that I've increasingly seen brokers try to buy or even rent(!) (a certain indicator of business model originated at a bad idea BoF) space from me. My private email address is old, well-known to spammers and search engines and also is on Nanog-L which of course makes it impossible to prove that it is due to ripedb harvesting.
But it really took off when the "last /8 policy" went into effect, and new blocks became impossible to get (except if you use shell companies to start new LIRen at a rate most other people change underwear; not that any member would do that, oh no...), so I think it is a real problem, related to ripedb, and that the NCC should try to identify the guilty and at least name and shame.
-- Måns Nilsson SVT +46 8 7848628
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* Sergey Myasoedov
I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.
I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.
But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status. Same here. Just submitted a complaint through the contact form at https://www.ripe.net/contact-form, ticket reference 230685.
Hope the NCC tells them to FOAD. There should be zero tolerance for this, no second chances. Unfortunately, being based in Turkey, they are outside the reach of the GDPR. Tore
Heh... Talking about T&C violations and just received an email from leaderweb.net Hello, We've detected that recently your company (Television Costablanca S.L.) has purchased an IPv4 address space from other organization. Please kindly let me know if you are looking for an additional IPv4 ranges for sale. We recently had a transfer and next day we get that email to 3 differents emails we have in the RIPE db... So... Another one? Regards, -- Daniel El 16/11/2019 a las 18:23, Tore Anderson via members-discuss escribió:
* Sergey Myasoedov
I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.
I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.
But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status. Same here. Just submitted a complaint through the contact form at https://www.ripe.net/contact-form, ticket reference 230685.
Hope the NCC tells them to FOAD. There should be zero tolerance for this, no second chances.
Unfortunately, being based in Turkey, they are outside the reach of the GDPR.
Tore
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Alexander Zubkov -
Atif Naveed -
Carlos Friaças -
Cedric R -
Christian.kroeger -
Daniel Baeza -
Dave Benwell -
ds＠schallert.com -
Erik Bais -
Gert Doering -
Henriette Van Ingen -
Jetten Raymond -
Maxemilian Hilbrand -
Michel Lanners -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Måns Nilsson -
Netmaster -
Nipuna Ruhunage -
Patrick Velder -
Rob Evans -
Sander Steffann -
Sergey Myasoedov -
Stuart Gilbertson | Consider IT Limited -
Teun Vink -
Thilo -
Tore Anderson