Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme discussion
24.07.12 22:38, Rob Golding написав(ла):
If we're going to "accelerate"the acceptance of IPv6 (which is in all of our interests) then anyone using PI IPv4 _probably_ needs some PI IPv6
Absolutely sure. The majority of our IPv4 PI customers at least asked us for IPv6 PI. But almost none of them qualify to get it. Others don't want to pay for something can't do the money income. So if RIPE/RIPE NCC really want to push IPv6 - let's do two easy things: change the qualify details for IPv6 PI and provide it free of charge for several years.
* Max Tulyev <president@ukraine.su> [2012-07-25 12:19]:
Absolutely sure. The majority of our IPv4 PI customers at least asked us for IPv6 PI. But almost none of them qualify to get it. Others don't want to pay for something can't do the money income.
So if RIPE/RIPE NCC really want to push IPv6 - let's do two easy things: change the qualify details for IPv6 PI and provide it free of charge for several years.
Hello, exactly what do you need to qualify for IPv6 PI? The last time I looked[1] there was no requirements except the contractual ones to get a /48. [1] http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-552#IPv6_PI_Assignments Regards Sebastian -- noris network AG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 16-20 - D-90471 Nürnberg Tel +49-911-9352-0 - Fax +49-911-9352-100 http://www.noris.de - The IT-Outsourcing Company Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel, Hansjochen Klenk - Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel - AG Nürnberg HRB 17689
25.07.12 15:35, Sebastian Wiesinger написав(ла):
exactly what do you need to qualify for IPv6 PI? The last time I looked[1] there was no requirements except the contractual ones to get a /48.
Hostmasters rejects requests where some of IPv6 address space is for interconnecting third parties (i.e. interface IPs, colo, LAN with customers, etc), while for IPv4 PI it is possible and used widely.
* Max Tulyev <president@ukraine.su> [2012-07-25 14:42]:
25.07.12 15:35, Sebastian Wiesinger написав(ла):
exactly what do you need to qualify for IPv6 PI? The last time I looked[1] there was no requirements except the contractual ones to get a /48.
Hostmasters rejects requests where some of IPv6 address space is for interconnecting third parties (i.e. interface IPs, colo, LAN with customers, etc), while for IPv4 PI it is possible and used widely.
Hello, PI for IPv4 has the same limitation: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-528#8 "In contrast, Provider Independent (PI) address space is assigned to End Users directly from the address pools managed directly by the RIPE NCC. PI space cannot be re-assigned or further assigned to other parties." So it violates the rules either way, v4 or v6. Regards Sebastian -- noris network AG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 16-20 - D-90471 Nürnberg Tel +49-911-9352-0 - Fax +49-911-9352-100 http://www.noris.de - The IT-Outsourcing Company Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel, Hansjochen Klenk - Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel - AG Nürnberg HRB 17689
Hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 02:51:36PM +0200, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:
PI for IPv4 has the same limitation:
Actually, it hasn't, there's the exception for transit networks - which is used for lots of interesting things. This is completely off-topic on members-discuss, though - if you want to discuss the assignment rules for IPv4 or IPv6 PI space, please be my guest on the address-policy mailing list. (OTOH, *charging* for PI objects is decided by the membership, even though the address-policy WG expressed the recommendation to make it so) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
I do not believe you can use IPv4 PI for that, it is for the PI Holders OWN use only, not to be allocated to customers and so on -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev Sent: 25 July 2012 13:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme discussion 25.07.12 15:35, Sebastian Wiesinger написав(ла):
exactly what do you need to qualify for IPv6 PI? The last time I looked[1] there was no requirements except the contractual ones to get a /48.
Hostmasters rejects requests where some of IPv6 address space is for interconnecting third parties (i.e. interface IPs, colo, LAN with customers, etc), while for IPv4 PI it is possible and used widely. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
This is routinely circumvented using the Network Infrastructure and End User Networks clause of IPv4 allocation policy: "IP addresses used solely for the connection of an End User to a service provider (e.g. point-to-point links) are considered part of the service provider's infrastructure. These addresses do not have to be registered with the End User's contact details but can be registered as part of the service provider's internal infrastructure." That clause has been interpreted so that allowing the End User to use a small number of addresses (max 4, if remember correctly) from the PI allocation, it's OK. Such clause does not exist in IPv6-world, which makes IPv4 PI and IPv6 PI different in this respect. ____________________________________ Tero Toikkanen Nebula Oy
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Mike Simkins Sent: 25. heinäkuuta 2012 15:54 To: Max Tulyev; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme discussion
I do not believe you can use IPv4 PI for that, it is for the PI Holders OWN use only, not to be allocated to customers and so on
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev Sent: 25 July 2012 13:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme discussion
25.07.12 15:35, Sebastian Wiesinger написав(ла):
exactly what do you need to qualify for IPv6 PI? The last time I looked[1] there was no requirements except the contractual ones to get a /48.
Hostmasters rejects requests where some of IPv6 address space is for interconnecting third parties (i.e. interface IPs, colo, LAN with customers, etc), while for IPv4 PI it is possible and used widely.
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Please unsubscive my mail from mailing list Thanks Il 25/07/2012 15:15, Tero Toikkanen ha scritto:
This is routinely circumvented using the Network Infrastructure and End User Networks clause of IPv4 allocation policy:
"IP addresses used solely for the connection of an End User to a service provider (e.g. point-to-point links) are considered part of the service provider's infrastructure. These addresses do not have to be registered with the End User's contact details but can be registered as part of the service provider's internal infrastructure."
That clause has been interpreted so that allowing the End User to use a small number of addresses (max 4, if remember correctly) from the PI allocation, it's OK. Such clause does not exist in IPv6-world, which makes IPv4 PI and IPv6 PI different in this respect.
____________________________________ Tero Toikkanen Nebula Oy
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Mike Simkins Sent: 25. heinäkuuta 2012 15:54 To: Max Tulyev; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme discussion
I do not believe you can use IPv4 PI for that, it is for the PI Holders OWN use only, not to be allocated to customers and so on
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev Sent: 25 July 2012 13:42 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme discussion
25.07.12 15:35, Sebastian Wiesinger написав(ла):
exactly what do you need to qualify for IPv6 PI? The last time I looked[1] there was no requirements except the contractual ones to get a /48. Hostmasters rejects requests where some of IPv6 address space is for interconnecting third parties (i.e. interface IPs, colo, LAN with customers, etc), while for IPv4 PI it is possible and used widely.
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Tero Toikkanen