But let's not use the false argument that they aren't interested by additional services. There's no evidence for that.
My point isn't about the RIPE NCC services but the reduction of the number of members, which will mecanically increase the membership fees. The services provided by ARIN are good enough for all the LIR associated to this RIR. What makes the RIPE NCC region so special that we can't be satisfied by the ARIN services ? Especially when the fees are in a different order of magnitude. On my side, I'm aware of a big bunch of LIR ready to migrate to ARIN, especially with the LIR registration rule changes proposed this year. Yes they are probably the smallest LIR (actually not all of them, there are few notable actors), but when they will leave, how the RIPE NCC will manage the account balances in your opinion ? As a reminder, the last membership fees evolved partly because of merging and migrating LIR.
Many LIRs? I thing "few" is better word here. Each member has right to vote in many questions ultimately affects what services are provided.
"Few" in percentage is enough to start this migration. And it already started with the LIR merges this last years, else we wouldn't have this discussion now.
~20% members activelly voted (on last GM). The rest simply don't care, it doesn't bother them. From number of non-voters, it's impossible to infer their interest or disinterest. Not voting is also a way to exercise the right to vote.
The main big picture question in this aspect is : in the long run, would you prefer to make a significant part of this 20% of LIR disappear from the RIPE NCC region, with the increase fees associated, and be stuck with players bigger than you which don't care of "small" LIR like yours (unless you are AWS of Orange, you are always a small LIR compared to the biggest), or do you prefer to keep some diversity in the RIPE NCC ? Kind regards, Alexandre Le 02/06/2025 à 11:08, Daniel Suchy via members-discuss a écrit :
Many LIRs? I thing "few" is better word here. Each member has right to vote in many questions ultimately affects what services are provided.
As a result, we vote ourselves out what RIPE does.
~20% members activelly voted (on last GM). The rest simply don't care, it doesn't bother them. From number of non-voters, it's impossible to infer their interest or disinterest. Not voting is also a way to exercise the right to vote.
But let's not use the false argument that they aren't interested by additional services. There's no evidence for that.
- Daniel
On 6/2/25 10:43 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Many LIR aren't interrested by the additional services provided by the RIPE NCC. Having a fixed membership fees pushes the smallest LIR to either migrate to an other RIR, or to merge with other LIR to reduce exploitation costs. If the incencitive to make the smallest LIR to close or leave the RIPE NCC continues, that will mean increase of the membership fees for all the remaining LIR. And like that, by the end of the decade, the fees will be with 5 figures, and there will be only big players remaining, effectively owning the RIPE NCC. I'm not sure many orgs will enjoy this situation.
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