Hello Dears,
BR,
Aladdin Hakim
Data Network Manager
P.O. Box 4850 Amman 11953 Jordan
Al Madina Al Munawara St., Jad Centre, 2nd Floor
Tel: +962 6 5777733 Fax: +962 6 5777744
( New) Cell: +962 7 88 06 00 69 Email: ahakim@damamax.jo
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Hi Ulf,
As IP4 is limited resource sure it must have a fee, else how will the new commers can access to the IP4 while the large ISP’s have millions of unused IP addresses which they have got from Ripe years ago. As a simple argument, we have an ISP in Turkey which even their license is taken back and they have 100K times more IP addresses then we have and nobody is asking tem to give the IP addresses back and they are keeping the IP4 block as the fee they pay for membership is not important then the IP4 block they are keeping in hand.
Have a nice day,
Cenk Keylan
Have a look at http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/faq/faq-general-resources
“IP addresses are a shared public resource and are not for sale.”
The fee you pay is not a fee for IP addresses, but a fee for supplied registration services by the RIPE NCC.
Please also remember that by making an IP address an accountable ressources and sticking a price tag onto it, taxability in the Netherlands will change, yielding an approx. 25% increase in taxes (and fees).
Since I’m a little bit fed up with this discussion now I hereby request to make the fee a real membership fee for the RIPE association; one member, one fee; budget divided by the number of members.
Best regards,
Ulf Kieber
Head of NOC
green.ch AG
Hi Lu,
I was thinking the same. Why shouldn’t we all be billed for the amount we are using and may’be pay a fee for the amount that has been reserved and not used?
I’ll take this with me to the Taskforce currently brainstorming on Billing matters.
Kind regards,
Filip Herman
filip@kosmozz.be
KOSMOZZ -- http://www.kosmozz.be
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Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 18:44
Aan: members-discuss@ripe.net
Onderwerp: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees
Hi Colleagues:
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Kind regards.
Lu
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Aladdin Hakim
Data Network Manager
P.O. Box 4850 Amman 11953 Jordan
Al Madina Al Munawara St., Jad Centre, 2nd Floor
Tel: +962 6 5777733 Fax: +962 6 5777744
( New) Cell: +962 7 88 06 00 69 Email: ahakim@damamax.jo
www.damamax.jo
From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Cenk Keylan
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:57 AM
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees
Hi Ulf,
As IP4 is limited resource sure it must have a fee, else how will the new commers can access to the IP4 while the large ISP’s have millions of unused IP addresses which they have got from Ripe years ago. As a simple argument, we have an ISP in Turkey which even their license is taken back and they have 100K times more IP addresses then we have and nobody is asking tem to give the IP addresses back and they are keeping the IP4 block as the fee they pay for membership is not important then the IP4 block they are keeping in hand.
Have a nice day,
Cenk Keylan
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From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Ulf Kieber
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees
Have a look at http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/faq/faq-general-resources
“IP addresses are a shared public resource and are not for sale.”
The fee you pay is not a fee for IP addresses, but a fee for supplied registration services by the RIPE NCC.
Please also remember that by making an IP address an accountable ressources and sticking a price tag onto it, taxability in the Netherlands will change, yielding an approx. 25% increase in taxes (and fees).
Since I’m a little bit fed up with this discussion now I hereby request to make the fee a real membership fee for the RIPE association; one member, one fee; budget divided by the number of members.
Best regards,
Ulf Kieber
Head of NOC
green.ch AG
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To: Lu Heng; members-discuss@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees
Hi Lu,
I was thinking the same. Why shouldn’t we all be billed for the amount we are using and may’be pay a fee for the amount that has been reserved and not used?
I’ll take this with me to the Taskforce currently brainstorming on Billing matters.
Kind regards,
Filip Herman
filip@kosmozz.be
KOSMOZZ -- http://www.kosmozz.be
| Member of Internet Service Providers Belgium (http://www.ispa.be)
Van: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Lu Heng
Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 18:44
Aan: members-discuss@ripe.net
Onderwerp: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees
Hi Colleagues:
Just had a whim about next year's membership fees, since Ripe will almost certain running out this year, why shouldn't we divided the membership fees as the percentage of the total recourse we have?(mostly IPv4)
The total amount of Ripe's IPv4 is known, and by end of this year, the total amount of each LIR's IPv4 is known as well.
So why should we just simpy do a math as LIR total amount address(L)/Ripe's total amount of address(R)*100%*Ripe's total need(TN)=Lir's yearly contribution(C)
So make the format simple:
C=(L/R*100%)*TN
Then I think it is "real fair". And as calculate the member fee based on the share of member in the organization's recourse's, it doesn't imply as "selling IP" rumor which has been the main reason we have categories rather than real fair solutions.
How you think, my colleagues, and this is just my 2 cents thought.
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Lu
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