Hello, I would be OK with such an idea. It's not linear, as we know it would break too many things in term of agreement, but I kinda agree with that. The 10k maximum fee is *way* too low in the initial proposals, and that's the main problem I see here, as it has to be distributed on "(very) smaller" members. Kind regards, Clément Cavadore On Mon, 2026-01-19 at 19:11 +0100, Alexis Hanicotte via members-discuss wrote:
Hi there,
Since RIPE can no longer provide every member with the resources they need, fairness is gone. Leaving the flat fee model can help mitigate this.
With the current proposition I see two issues : 1. The maximum fee used for calculations (10k€) is too low. 2. Fees curve is too flat : Base fee apart, for one member with just one /22 it would cost 768€. For a member holding a /8 or equivalent, it is a cost of 0,53€ per /22. That's a really big discount. I can accept a ten times volume discount, but a 1500 times one?
My attempt : The general idea is to say someone in top category (/7) will have 16x price reduction per block as per someone in (/22). In category /8 that would be 15x, /9 14x etc. Then we scale to the 30M€ budget + 10M€ of base fees. That gives, base fee included : 500 none 786 /24 to /23 818 /23 to /22 850 /22 to /21 924 /21 to /20 1,136 /20 to /19 1,518 /19 to /18 2,196 /18 to /17 3,407 /17 to /16 5,588 /16 to /15 9,545 /15 to /14 16,780 /14 to /13 30,100 /13 to /12 54,768 /12 to /11 100,686 /11 to /10 186,560 /10 to /9 347,812 /9 to /8 651,711 /8 to /7
The fee of one member of the highest category will represent about 1.5% of total income (we have 4 such members, see table in tab #2 of the Model_A spreadsheet). Compared with figures from the chart about other RIRs that make a fee /10 a bit below LACNIC.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 5:29 PM Akayo <ripe@akayo.eu> wrote:
Hi Ben!
Of course I do agree that "whale customers" are not a good idea as well since this would put the independency of the RIPE NCC on risk.
However, even if we would use a way more balanced category based model, we are still miles away from such a risk because I was not speaking about millions or even hundreds of thousands of fees for the largest LIRs. But it simply doesn't make much sense if the largest LIRs pay a few thousand EUR per year while even small LIRs pay a few thousand EUR per year as well.
--Kayo
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