I agree. It depends on how they get the data. If they're manually searching the database and calling people they find they're investing some time to find the correct person and I believe that shouldn't be a big issue, but it may be annoying for those affected. If on the other hand someone automates the extraction and gives the information to a callcenter I'd be a bit disturbed by their tactics. But i guess hiding the information so it gets trickier to automate extraction would have wider consequences. Automated DMCA notifications / copyright infringement notifications / spam and other weird stuff where there isn't a person on the other end could probably decrease a bit. Oskar Stenman 2014-06-13 15:33 skrev Dominik Nowacki:
Oskar, problem here is that they are real people who call, they can also solve captchas.
With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki
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-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of oskar@cetex.se Sent: 13 June 2014 14:25 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam
Or implement some kind of captcha for anonymous requests on the web so programmatic mining without a person-object and a registered maintainer becomes trickier, and remove email / phone from the files on the ftp-site.
If someone wants to get in touch they just have to solve the captcha and the information will be available. If someone wants to get data from CLI or automatic they would have to provide user-info when they do their request, or get a response with such data removed.
I have no idea how large the repercursions of doing this would be though. I guess this knowledge exists on the list though. :)
Oskar Stenman
2014-06-13 14:31 skrev Mag. Matthias Šubik:
Hello, On 13.06.2014, at 14:12, Andrei Kushnireuski wrote: ...
For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info?
This is true for a lot of companies that use provision based payment. As others said before, representatives change, and each of them has a 'new' and 'bright' idea to find new customers.
The only thing that helps is not to respond to such offers, or complaining to their headquarters. Setting remarks in RIPE-DB is next to useless, as they employ mostly bad coded scripts to parse only the fields they need. Moving the telephone number or post-dial PIN to the remarks helps, as network admins tend to read full whois output, instead of parsed fields in excel.
Matthias
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