Greetings, On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Bruno Carvalho wrote:
Hello everyone.
I've been reading all your messages regarding this problem since some time now. And i think that this problem shouldn't be handled by RIPE at all. Countries blacklist IP addresses and DNS addresses since some time now (because of piracy, political reasons, etc...). So... just because now, Russia is blocking a lot of VPN IPs, is a reason for RIPE to step in? No. I don't think so.
I think you are correct -- at least, afaik, it is not part of RIPE NCC's mandate from its members.
You all should keep the 2 things appart from each other. We in Portugal, have since some time now, several torrent websites blocked (IP and DNS)
Really? I was only aware about the DNS redirection, which anyone able to use a search engine can easily circumvent...
and you don't ear us complain about it or ask RIPE to talk to the gouvernment.
Some people have tried to complain to our government about the existing MoU's (ISPs, DROs and others) application, but with little or no success.
I agree that internet should be regulated. But a regulation can be benign to some but malign to others. A balance should be found. Internet would never be free because of this. And it's not the job of RIPE to balance it.
RIPE NCC is not a regulator. The RIPE Community is also not a regulator, but can address _technical_ issues in order to achieve improvements, even if full solutions are not possible. RIPE NCC's interface with governments (and LEAs), in my opinion, has a good track record. Regards, Carlos
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On 2018-04-25 14:51, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:
* Juri <hostmaster@ntx.ru> [2018-04-25 14:20]: Hello Max,
would you like the world to do exactly your (i.e. Russian citizens) job and cut your small dictator off? Why? It is your country, not our, so do it yourself
We can't do that by ourselfs only ) And, yes, we don't have elections here.
There some other countries, like Ukraine for example, who copy bad practice of Internet censorship too. That's why Internet companies and ISPs should think about those problem together.
I hate to say it, but ISPs are bound by the laws of the country they're operating in. If your government doesn't allow free access there is nothing anyone outside of your country can do. Change has to come from within. You are hurt by your governments decision to block access to millions of IPs? Let them know. Let your customers know who is responsible. That is not something we can do for you.
Also the RIPE NCC already has an outreach program to meet with and inform governments, but a government would have to be willing to meet and be informed.
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