I'm getting the impression we have quite a lot of experts on Dutch law around on this list. Fascinating!


Kind regards,  C.



From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of óÅÒÇ¦Ê þÅÒØÏÍÕÛ <bestseller.group@ukr.net>
Sent: 17 July 2018 11:26:59
To: Aleksey Bulgakov
Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly
 
"There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it."
Each organization has its own set of rules, but they can not contradict the law.
I also do not understand how it is possible to bill for a service under the agreement "after the fact".

Kind regards, Sergey Cheromush

17 ÌÉÐÎÑ 2018, 10:57:45, ×¦Ä "Aleksey Bulgakov" <aleksbulgakov@gmail.com>:

Hi.

There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and doesn't want to share it. But it shows that it cares about members trying to keep IPv4 pool available  for future business so long asit  possible. But there is market where everyone can buy necessary IPv4 without request to mantioned organisation.

×Ô, 17 éÀÌ 2018 Ç., 9:05 Andrey Levrinets <levrinets.andrey@ukr.net>:
Hi all,
"A member must pay the full annual service fee for each LIR account(s) held before they can transfer resources or close their LIR account(s)"
There is no word about accounts that have not been active for the full year.

--
Andrey

16 ÌÉÐÎÑ 2018, 13:01:52, ×¦Ä "Freethought Hostmaster" <hostmaster@freethought-internet.co.uk>:

Hi Jens,

Actually, the RIPE service fee for new members is charged on a pro-rata basis, so if you join part way through the year, then you only pay for part of the year. I seem to recall that this is done down quarterly granularity.


Edward Dore
Freethought Internet

From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Jens Ott <ripe@opteamax.de>
Date: Monday, 16 July 2018 at 07:02
To: "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly

Hi,

Please read the charging scheme carefully, it only talks about an annual fee. The offer to pay it in 4 steps is just an offer but doesn't change anything about the amount. There is no monthly fee or daily fee... There are no definitions that entering over the year reduces the costs.

Maybe we should just remove that offer to not pay everything at once, this would decrease discussions and time for processing a transfer.

BR
Jens
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