Hello,

I want to chime in with request for some kind of clarification. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Original intent behind whole LIR and PI/PA concept was that LIRs were some kind of ISP that provided access to Internet for end users thus needed numerical resources. Since some of these customers might require persistent resources (addresses, asn etc), but they can't afford/don't want to be LIR themselves (for example hosting company). Thus idea of sponsored resources came into life (which btw should be solution for hobby nets and small organisations).

This leads me to following questions:

1. How many LIRs are organisations whose primary bussiness operation is providing access to Internet?

2. Removing distinction between PI and PA (which I understand forces PI resources holder to open their own LIR account) should introduce new members. Can you please calculate how count of these new membership compares to current number of LIRs that are about to be closed/hold no resources?

Best regards,

Łukasz Jarosz

wt., 16 kwi 2024, 20:57 użytkownik Hans Petter Holen <hph@ripe.net> napisał:

Hi Kaj,
Benchmarking is always useful, but sometimes comparing may be a bit difficult.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 18:27, Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net> wrote:

RIPE, revenue 38M EUR (40M USD), members 20k = 2 k/member

ARIN, revenue 25M USD, members 25k = 1 k/member

APNIC, revenue 33M AUD (21M USD), members 10k = 2 k/member

LACNIC, revenue 10M USD, members 12k = 0.8 k/member

AFRINIC, revenue 6M USD, members 2k = 3 k/member

APNIC and LACNIC has National Internet Registries that handle members in their countries which makes comparison difficult.

ARIN has recently changed their membership structure to include the equivalent of our End Users and individual ASN holders.
They have also removed the distinction between PI and PA.

If the RIPE NCC did the same, we would more than double the number of members and bring the average to less than 1k/member.

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Sincerely,

Hans Petter Holen
Managing Director & Chief Executive Officer
RIPE NCC
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