** *Dear Clement, * * In addition to my previous mail on the broader topics, I want to give you some additional explanation on the idea of IPv4 Waiting List-related charges. And I will send further mails adding clarity on other topics that have come up on the list. In essence, these are put forward as a way to deal with a change from per LIR account charging to per member charging as recommended by the Charging Scheme Task Force. The current situation with regards to getting IPv4 resources from the RIPE NCC is that there are costs involved already, and the charges listed here ensure that there will be roughly similar fees involved in getting IPv4 from the waiting list. * There is the waiting list, which can take up to two years to get resources from * RIPE policy defines a two-year non-transfer requirement This means: Sign-up fee for new LIR:EUR 1,000 Annual fee per LIR Account:EUR 1,800 - First year annual fee (Uncertain timeframe estimated at one year) Annual fee per LIR Account:EUR 1,800 - Second year annual fee (First year of the non-transfer requirement) Annual fee per LIR Account:EUR 1,800 - third year annual fee (Second year of the non-transfer requirement) Total Fees: EUR 6,400 (Fee could be higher if time on the Waiting List exceeds one year) We fully realise that for a new member, the annual fee is a cost they will have to bear in any case. But also in the current situation multiple LIR accounts per member are possible, each of which can join the waiting list according to RIPE policy. This means existing members require a new LIR account to join the waiting list and will therefore pay an additional approximate EUR 6,400 for an allocation of IPv4 from the waiting list.The fees as stated in the consultation are slightly lower when combined, but this does depend on the total amount of resources a member holds. Based on an annual fee calculated using the Charging Scheme Model A, Category 1 consulted on in Phase 1, a new member would pay: Sign-up fee for new Member: EUR 1,000 Annual fee per LIR Account: EUR 500 - A base fee for no resources held Fee to join the IPv4 Waiting list: EUR 2,000 IPv4 Allocation fee:EUR 750 - Fee when allocation is received Annual fee per LIR Account: EUR 873 - Second year annual fee = Base fee + EUR 373 (First year of non-transfer requirement) Annual fee per LIR Account:EUR 873 - Third year annual fee = Base fee + EUR 373 (Second year of non-transfer requirement) Total fees: EUR 5,996 The total here of EUR 5,996 is in the same price range as the current situation, but the uncertain cost base on waiting time has been removed. As per RIPE policy, if an existing member want to join the waiting list again, they will have to create an additional LIR account, meaning the fees would be: Sign-up fee for new LIR Account: EUR 1,500 (Fee for second LIR account) Annual fee per LIR: EUR 873 (First year annual fee = Assumed 1 /24 IPv4 allocated to a member) Fee to join the IPv4 Waiting list: EUR 2,000 IPv4 Allocation fee:EUR 750 (Fee when allocation is received) Annual fee per LIR Account:EUR 1,268 Second year annual fee = Base fee + EUR 768 (First year of non-transfer requirement) Annual fee per LIR Account:EUR 1,268 Third year annual fee = Base fee + EUR 768 Total fees: EUR 7,659 With these separate fees for the waiting list and an allocation fee from this waiting list, I see three advantages: 1. It starts to remove the need for additional LIR accounts, while we acknowledge RIPE policy still requires a new LIR account to join the waiting list. 2. Splitting the waiting list fee from the annual fee gives us more options and more flexibility in how we set these fees. 3. We remove the time element from the pricing, as the waiting could take one year but potentially it could take much longer. But here again, what we are looking for is your input. How costly should it be for members to receive a /24 from the waiting list? Should the costs be roughly similar to what they are now? And we have noted your input on the other charges, which is very clear. Kind regards,Simon-Jan HaytinkChief Financial OfficerRIPE NCC * On 03/02/2026 16:00, Clement Cavadore wrote:
Dear Simon, all...
Excuse me, but... *whaaaat am I reading ?!?!*
Are you trying to shock your membership with some crazy options, in order to better have an acceptance on your category-based models ? Where has the fairness spirit gone ?
Here are my comments:
On group 1:
Regarding the new member signup fees: I honestly don't care wether it's 1000 or 1500€, but it should be the same, IMHO, be it an additionnal member or not.
IPv4 waiting list signup fees: Errr... why ? If you pay a membership signup fee, it should be enough. IPv4 allocation fee: Same comment. Then if you really think about billing stuffs as a waiting list and allocation fee, then, just bill all those fees as a sign-up fee, just don't play with words...
I am not opposed to merger and acquisition fee, as it's additionnal paperwork for NCC.
Transfer fee: on the two ends ? what's the deal ? Maybe in incoming, as it's paperwork based on the buyer's needs.
Legacy registry update fee: Why not, as they do not have any contractual relationship. I think that ARIN does not allow updates on out of contract relationships, do they ?
PI/ASN fees should not change IMHO.
On groupe 2:
PI fee at 1k€: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND ?! So, having lets say two PI and an ASN (ex: non-commercial IXP, for example) would lead to ~2k€ fee? this is a nonsence....
Alternative registry fee update: 1.5k€ ? Well, legacy would just stay legacy, and the DB would remain outdated...
Discount for educationnal or lower income: Well, fairness is totally gone.
Please, reconsider your options. Nothing is acceptable there. You cannot continue that way. I have seen way better suggestions (for example ALexis Hanicotte's suggestion on 20th january), that your phase2 suggestions. Maybe you should reconsider your 40M budget aswell. You cannot just continue to raise your member's fee (while protecting big players). If you just think it might be at risk with higher members, maybe we should introduce a policy restraining inter-rir transfers for big inetnums (incoming or outgoing, lets still be fair).
Kind regards,
Clément Cavadore
On Mon, 2026-02-02 at 12:24 +0100, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
Dear RIPE NCC members,
Thank you for your feedback on Phase 1 of the charging scheme model.
During the six week consultation period, members shared feedback via the members-discuss mailing list and we also heard from members directly. Thank you to everyone who took part and helped inform the next stage of this work. We are now analysing the feedback to identify where the models can be refined.
*Phase 2: Separate Charges*
We are now launching Phase 2 of the consultation, which focuses on separate charges. In this phase, we are asking for feedback on two groups of additional charges:
Group 1: Charges based on task force recommendations Group 2: Possible other charges, discounts and incentives
You can find charges and detailed explanations of each charge at: https://www.ripe.net/s/charging-scheme-model-consultation-phase-2/
Important: Please note that this is the consultation phase, and we are looking for your opinion on which charges make sense and would be acceptable for members. No charges or figures are set in stone - we need your input before we make a final draft charging scheme that we can bring to the Executive Board for its consideration in March. In parallel, we are carrying out impact analyses to determine what changes would need to be made to our systems in order to accommodate new types of charges, and whether they would be possible to implement for 2027 or need to be phased in over multiple years. We plan to publish the impact analysis when proposing the draft charging scheme for members to vote on in April.
Phase 2 will run until the week of 16 February 2026. Your input is essential for shaping the Charging Scheme proposal which will be presented to the membership for a vote at the May 2026 General Meeting.
Please share your comments, questions, and suggestions on the Members Discuss mailing list.
*Next Steps: Phase 3*
Following Phase 2, we will use feedback from both phases to revise the proposal before publishing a combined draft covering the annual membership fee and separate charges.
We are also developing an online calculator to accompany Phase 3, using the final draft model figures and the additional charges proposed during Phase 2.
We expect to publish both a complete charging scheme draft, an impact analysis and the calculator at the beginning of April 2026.
Kind regards,
Simon-Jan Haytink Chief Financial Officer RIPE NCC
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