1. Everyone has the same voting rights.
2. The services a person receives must be paid for, depending on what
they receive, as additional costs arise there too. IP networks, ASNs,
training, support, service.
3. Voting rights are not extended based on what someone pays.
*** Perhaps we need to look into whether we need to review the RIPE for
cost savings, like in the US. ***
But yes, I'm someone who likes to come up with opinions and ideas like
Trump that might not be appropriate. But they should be
thought-provoking.
Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Walde IT-Systemhaus - CEO Dirk Walde - IT-Specialist
Jean Salim schrieb:
All other RIR have tiered charging and the sky didn't
fall.
Nobody's saying charge per /24 proportionally, it
should be tiered and logarithmic like everyone else.
I don't know why large LIRs with hundreds of /24 are
scared of paying more than 1850 eur which is what they rent out one /24
for.
What you're saying is very wrong.
Now all LIRs are paying the same and still large LIR
are controlling RIPE and making everybody pay for their resources while
they only pay 1850 eur per year for all the resources they're
controlling and making money out of.
I'll state what no one else has in very simple terms.
The moment your single /24 LIR pays 100 EUR /year because it's
small and the LIR with a /8 pays 100,000 EUR /year is the moment your
voice will get taken away.
The best way to motivate corporations of that size to get
interested is to charge them ridiculous amounts of money. Mark my
words, RIPE would be easily taken over and controlled by the top 10-20
resource holders if you ever tried to charge per /24 , and they'd make
sure your voice is never heard again.
It's simple really, if you want an equal voice in the
direction of RIPE, then everyone needs to pay the same amount. If you
want to watch your privileges get stripped away, try and change that to
where you charge by the /24.
Daniel~
On 5/30/25 1:48 PM, Jean Salim wrote:
Just to clarify so there's no misinformation.
This thread's not about taking anybody's IPv4 allocations and
redistributing it. It's about large resource holders paying their fair
annual maintenance share.
One of the LIRs I represent has only ONE /24 or
256 IPs that they purchased, they pay 1850 EUR a year to ripe which is
a substantial amount in a country like Lebanon.
While LIRs that have hundrends or even thousands
of /24s pay the same 1850 EUR amount while if they closed their
businesses and rent their IPS out, they would make hundreds of
thousands of Euros anually.
You are intentionally misleading this
discussion, please open a new thread about IPv6 transition and discuss
this subject with whom you want to.
This thread's title is clearly about the charging scheme,
not about IPv4 distribution nor about IPv6 transition.
On Fri, May 30, 2025 at
8:07 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 07:58:00PM +0300, Jean Salim wrote:
> Each time there's a discussion about resource holders paying their
fair
> share according to their resource holdings at RIPE, like other
RIR, you
> take the discussion towards an unrelated subject that is IPv6
transition.
This is the only relevant discussion. There is not enough IPv4
available
to fulfill all the demands people have - very simple math.
So whatever we do will just result in more squabbling and complaints
from
other people that "THIS IS ALL SO UNFAIR" - yes, this is why we made
IPv6
policies where every but the most large LIRs can have more address space
than they will ever need, by asking politely.
Guess what, we knew 15+ years ago that IPv4 would not last, and made
policies where networks voluntarily(!) restricted themselves(!) so late
comers could still have some space, to help with the transition. That
space is now gone, transition has not been done, and - surprise - we see
complaints that IPv4 is not distributed fairly.
Gert Doering
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