The rationale is something called giving an equal opportunity
to everyone. The same way you obtained IP addresses from IP
addresses from RIPE - other people and organizations should be
able to do the same.
1. There are many more LIRs with smaller allocations that would
benefit from the new proposed pricing model two.
2. RIPE NCC would benefit from pricing model two because it
encourages IP address recycling. More LIRs in the future.
3. Our members benefit by increasing the availability of IPv4.
This is a limited resource of the internet. Nobody should be
trying to control it as a commodity. Like land, it should be
taxed to prevent hoarding and create a healthy economy
based on fair usage and work to pay those taxes.
There are orgs in RIPE that have tens of thousands of IPs they
don't use and they don't pay for them. They don't have any
interest in selling them either.
I believe that just because an org became a member many years ago
and got bucket loads of IPs for very little justification, doesn't
mean they should be entitled to them in the future for no extra
cost.
As I've already stated many times, this is not going to be a
popular opinion to any member with a large allocation of IP
addresses, but to be frank, I don't care if I offend them - this
is my opinion and a small org's voice can be heard on RIPE as much
as a large org.
Regards,
Josh Jameson
Technical Director
ServeByte Ltd
On 09/03/2023 16:05, Kaj Niemi wrote:
Can you
explain the rationale on returning addresses to RIPE NCC
rather than selling them onward? There is a market for this
thing which exists in limited amounts, you know.
😊
Kaj
Not to mention that ARIN ran out of IP addresses in 2015.
They failed to preserve their resources long before any other
region. It's not in the interest of RIPE NCC to follow that
kind of logic.
I see other members suggesting to not over complicate things
and just charge per /24. That could result in the pool being
replenished with recycled IP blocks, as I imagine many
organizations won't want to continue to pay for IPs they will
never use. Right now there's no incentive to recycle unused IP
blocks and that has to change.
Regards,
Josh Jameson
Technical Director
ServeByte Ltd
On 09/03/2023 10:00, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight via members-discuss wrote:
If ARIN
was “perfect” making references to their model might hold
water, but they are far from that.
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Hello Everyone,
I'm analyzing the new charging scheme proposed by RIPE
NCC.
Adopt the new scheme like that KILL every small hosting
provider include
us. I don't think that's a good idea for RIPE NCC to
kill a lot of small
provider.
It kill net neutrality, and i think a lot of small isp
call IANA to
sanction the RIPE board for that.
In practice, you ask 8000€ / year because a provider
has one ASN ? It's
mostly mandatory for all members to own at least one.
Why not doing some in between prupose:
More "reasonable" base membership. Small ISP doesn't
have to pay mush.
Let imagine a resource quantity category.
IPv6 only => category 1
< 10 000 IPv4 => category 2
50 000 IPv4 => ....
...
- Extra fee for every PI of 50€
Like that, big isp who can pay for the RIPE work because
they extract
high value from them.
Also people who sponsor a lot of PI (who generate a
lot of work for
RIPE resource analyst) pay for the employment time.
As a reminder, ARIN use this model.
Best regards,
Sarah
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