Hello I agree Must be option like last year No to budget increase Yuriy
On 23 Apr 2024, at 16:41, Daniel Pearson <daniel@privatesystems.net> wrote:
Fact - We have not been given the option to Reject all choices which is what I specifically reject.
NO Should absolutely be an option.
On 4/23/24 8:38 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via members-discuss wrote:
Gotta love theories vs facts
Fact: RIPE has around 20 thousand members Fact : less than 100 of them have posted on this list in the month of April. Fact: not all the under 100 members (or more specifically, people who are linked to members) are against the charging schemes proposed Fact: this email won’t make any difference to the vocal minority who have issues with the charging schemes being proposed
Fact: the result will be decided based on actual votes cast next month
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Michele
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* Mihail Fedorov wrote:
With all the respect to RIPE Executive board, there is a problem. From the day first 2025 charging scheme draft was published - thread instantly got hundreds of responses clearly indicating just one thing - that proposed scheme is not ok. Majority (at least that’s what I see in members-discuss) of members raised their concerns and responded that they disagree with it. [...] Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assumed that RIPE is members ruled structure. That’s what all RIPE learning PDFs say. You can not simply ignore everyone.
I'm sorry to step in here, but if you ask this way ...
The overwhelming majority of members did not respond at all. This means that they see no pressing problem with the current proposal.
We only see a - frankly - small group of members who are emphatically loud and repetitive. It seems to me that their motivation is to want to reduce the already low annual costs even further for their personal benefit. Absolutely incorrect assumption (as it is already said). For example there are many reasons why the LIR in Lebanon are silent
On Tue, 2024-04-23 at 05:51 +0000, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: this maillist, but everyone I spoke with and who read mallist was categorically outraged by the current situation.
In most countries, a fixed fee per member is typical for associations and cooperatives. That's why the controlling department of most companies has no problem with it. And this is precisely why all attempts in the past to switch to a resource-based fee have failed:
It is failed only in RIPE, and it worked in ALL other RIR. And this also food for thoughts, why it failed in RIPE. Also RIPE is not golf club, it is kind of resource allocating non- profit. USB-IF, IEEE (mac address allocation), PCI-SIG(only one vid per member) and many others do the same, there is always annual maintenance fee which is dependent on size of allocated resources.
You would have to explain the RIPE bill to the accounting department.
Resource-based fees were introduced to stimulate the return of AS numbers etc. that are no longer used. Again, the same reason: you have to explain this accounting item.
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