Every Year we talking same things and every year the result is zero... Clearly it is not fair company which holds /22 IPV4 /32 IPV6 and few ASN to pay same amount as a company with /8 IPV4 /20 IPV6 and tens (if not hundreds) ASNs. Clearly charging scheme based on the holded resource not accepting. Well then why not we think about hard coded resource limits for each member: Annual fee of 1500 Euro per LIR gives : 1 x /20 Block of IPV4 (sum can be 16 x /24 or 4 x /22) 1 x /29 Block of IPV6 (sum can be 8 x /32...) 8 x ASNs If a LIR pass one or more of the above parameters the applied Annual fee +1500 Euro, so such LIR can hold and manage: 2 x /20 Block of IPV4 (sum) 2 x /29 Block of IPV6 (sum) 16 x ASN If again pass one or more of these +1500 Euro and so on. RIPE to send emails to each member with calculation for its next year fee, and with ask to free resources and return back to RIPE. Newly freed resources to be spread across members who not reach the first target (or at least to can ask for new resources without additional fee): 1 x /20 Block of IPV4 (sum can be 16 x /24 or 4 x /22 e.t.c.) 1 x /29 Block of IPV6 (sum can be 8 x /32... e.t.c) 8 x ASNs To legacy resource holders to be given 1 year, to find sponsoring LIR, and their resources to be counted in the LIR account sum resources. Or to be asked to become LIRs, with 500 euro one pay joining fee. This way RIPE can predict and calculate its bugdet much better. Ivaylo Josifov VarnaIX / Varteh LTD +359 52 969393 Varna, Bulgaria On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Firma KOMPEX wrote:
Hi
it would be fair if the resource was not valued as a resource only as the number of IPs IP should be the basis for settlement - it is actually a cost there is a shortage of addresses, and some people have a lot of them unused and do not return them. If they paid for the addresses and it was a cost for them, they would wonder whether they really need them or whether it would be better to return some of them.
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-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Gert Doering Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 12:49 PM To: domain@wkey.it Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available
Hi,
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 07:04:30PM +0100, Andrea Borghi wrote:
My humble proposal is to class basing on how many additional resources a company have beyond the basics that was valid at the time of joining Ripe.
... and possibly how old these resources are... we got our blocks in 1995/1996, and they are considered "large" by today's standards. Back then, it was what you got as a fast-growing small ISP...
So if we really go for something based on allocation size, adding a yearly depreciation factor in would make this "more fair" (... we've been paying our share for the last 29(!) years already).
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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