Many big ISP have implemented ipv6 support (dual stack or alternatives) on their networks (fixed and or mobile) since many years. (like in France, Belgium, Germany, Finland, Hungary, Greece, ….) Strong technical teams that could convince their management to do the effort and/or competitors that started first, are the key differentiators why they support or not ipv6. (personal opinion) Charging scheme will not influence this adoption or increase the available ipv4 addresses for new entrants at low cost. Stop dreaming. Even if the top 3 ISP in RIPE region would have to pay 100% of the membership fees, it will not change their network strategy or convince them to offer part of their ipv4 address on the market. (personal opinion) Charging scheme linked to ipv4 allocation might increase the cost/ipv4 address in address transfers and create the opposite effect of what is desired : making it even more difficult or costly for new entrants. Marc Internal Use Only - Only for Proximus business use. See more on https://www.proximus.com/confidentiality From: Alexey Berezhnev <alex@mac3.ru> Sent: Tuesday 27 May 2025 15:41 To: Mihail Fedorov <mihail@fedorov.net> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month Hi, While I appreciate the perspective, I’d suggest that many of those “big ISPs” who are reluctant to implement IPv6 are not simply unmotivated — they are being rational. If you’ve ever priced out true dual-stack backbone-grade routers — the kind required to maintain IPv4+IPv6 parity at scale — and accounted for the fact that these setups must be duplicated to meet modern HA/availability requirements, you’d probably hesitate to “invest” in IPv6 too. The capital expenditure is not trivial. Vendors don’t discount IPv6-ready hardware because it’s the “future.” On the contrary, the complexity, licensing, and redundancy expectations only add to the financial and operational burden. So it’s not always about lacking motivation — sometimes it’s just about responsible budgeting. Sent from my iPhone On 27 May 2025, at 14:09, Mihail Fedorov <mihail@fedorov.net<mailto:mihail@fedorov.net>> wrote: Hi. I want to remind, that here in THIS mail list members from various big international ISPs PUBLICLY admitted, that they have no intent to implement IPv6 because they have no motivation to do so. They have huge subnets of IPv4 and 0 interest in investing to IPv6. On the other side are (mostly newer) members who already implemented IPv6 everywhere and can be totally happy with that, but IPv6 adoption is low and they have no technical ability to not have IPv4. Charging for resources in my view can help with that. Also slightly balancing expenses between small and large ISPs - so small town ISP will not finance huge RIPE projects like atlas etc. As for the proportions - as far as I know it is illegal (for tax purposes) for RIPE to charge proportional to resource amounts so some kind of “levels” should be. But here I might be wrong or misinformed. On 27 May 2025, at 12:11, Niels Dettenbach <nd@syndicat.com<mailto:nd@syndicat.com>> wrote: Am Montag, 26. Mai 2025, 09:45:17 UTC+00:00:01 schrieb Sebastian Wiesinger: “Other new protocols” is something that doesn’t exist and will not exist in any useful timeframe. It’s futile to hope for a magic fix that someone just hasn’t thought about until now. The solution is IPv6 and AS32. I hear that since many years, but the reality in the countries i'm active in (like Middle East, Africa) "far" from Europe is far from any near or mid-term IPv6 adoption for many reasons. Primary reason is: the local big players are grown historically on IPv4 which scarcity now gives them a huge local market advantage or (oftean hear that vpices as well there) IPv6 does not give them any commercial advantage. But even in big european (non IT) enterprises (hoarding huge amounts of unused public IPv4 space) i see no interest in the implementation of IPv6 in the near to mid term (even in their internal networks). IPv6 is - nor today nor in the near future - no solution to the problems Dmitry mentions here. just my .02€ niels. -- --- Niels Dettenbach Syndicat IT & Internet https://www.syndicat.com PGP: https://syndicat.com/pub_key.asc --- ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. 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