A very good case in point Arash. We have acquired IPv4 by the secondary market and it's both expensive and risky dealing with a third party who is many hundreds of miles away from you. Sent from my iPhone On 3 May 2018, at 07:48, Arash Naderpour <arash.naderpour@gmail.com<mailto:arash.naderpour@gmail.com>> wrote: Speaking of the community, it has been dived to pre 2012 and post 2012. Some of old members are making a fortune by selling their unused IP addresses to post 2012 members. Maybe we need to be more specific when we talk about what is works better for the community :) Arash On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Jetten Raymond <raymond.jetten@elisa.fi<mailto:raymond.jetten@elisa.fi>> wrote: Hi Sebastian, All Even if you would have an archivist, the problem is that some people just don't read all that. Then there are a few folks that are only interested in how things would work better for themselves, not for the community. Rgds, Ray For Internal Use Only -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Sebastian Wiesinger Sent: 2. toukokuuta 2018 15:47 To: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers * Adrian Bolster <Adrian.Bolster@purebroadband.net<mailto:Adrian.Bolster@purebroadband.net>> [2018-05-02 12:53]:
The current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a relatively new ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer entities, such as us, do not have legacy IPv4 space which immediately inhibits growth and competition in the ISP marketplace.
Hi Adrian, this was discussed in the address-policy working group many, maaaany times. Please read the list archive for all the arguments and counterarguments. There is simply no way to change the fact: We're OUT of IPv4. Maybe an RIPE archivist wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. Regards Sebastian -- Sebastian Wiesinger Principal Network Architect Network & Security (ONS) noris network AG Thomas-Mann-Stra?e 16-20 90471 N?rnberg Deutschland Tel +49 911 9352 1335 Fax +49 911 9352 100 sebastian.wiesinger@noris.de<mailto:sebastian.wiesinger@noris.de> https://www.noris.de - Mehr Leistung als Standard Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel, J?rgen St?ding - Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel - AG N?rnberg HRB 17689 _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/raymond.jetten%40elis... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/arash.naderpour%40gma... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/adrian.bolster%40sure...