I totally agree with Adam. There should be a division between the two activities with their budget. RIPE LIRs should already be able to cover “core” activities, but why should the LIR fee be increased for extras that are not required and necessary for everyone? From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Adam Sent: mercoledì 10 aprile 2024 16:02 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging Scheme 2025 Hi, This is something I was thinking about as well, maybe it is time for RIPE to plan its budget and activities as: - core (LIR related) - extras (ripe atlas, k-root, etc) Core activities is something that should be financed from members fees, while the extras either by voluntary member payments or external financing (sponsors). _____ From: Lu <h.lu@anytimechinese.com <mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com> > To: Michel <michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu <mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu> > Cc: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > Date: Wednesday, 10 April 2024 3:28 PM CEST Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging Scheme 2025 Hi guys: Either we accept higher membership fee or ask ripe stop services that not essential to the registration service, we can not have both here. Stop service that is not essential will probably cut membership fee by 80%, ripe NCC please confirm the barebones cost of registration service alone. Lu On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 15:58 Michel Lanners <michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu <mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu> > wrote: Dear all, Why on earth is everybody trying to monetize IPv4, i.e. make RIPE fees dependant on IPv4 ressources? I completely fail to see why anybody should pay more for HOLDING any number of IPv4 ressources (or other ressources, by the way). It’s a different story for ressource transfers. So let those selling IPv4 pay a fee for the transfer! And for the rest let’s stick to a real membership fee: one price irrespective of which services you use or not. The fitness center doesn’t charge you per minute, nor per device you use. It's a flat membership, full stop. Hopefully low enough so it doesn’t create a problem for anybody's bottom line. Cheers Michel LANNERS CIO at LU-CIX Management G.I.E. -- <https://www.luxchat.lu/> Mail: michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu <mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu> Luxchat: @3eb2pdflrq57:01.lu-cix.luxchat.lu <http://01.lu-cix.luxchat.lu> Phone: (+352) 28 99 29 92-81 LU-CIX Management G.I.E. 202, Z.A.E. Wolser F <https://www.google.com/maps/search/202,+Z.A.E.+Wolser+F?entry=gmail&source=g> L-3290 Bettembourg lu-cix.lu <https://www.lu-cix.lu> luxchat.lu <https://www.luxchat.lu> luxembourg-internet-days.com <https://luxembourg-internet-days.com> lunog.lu <https://www.lunog.lu> _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/h.lu%40outsideheaven....