for brevity, I tried to resort this reply.
On 19.02.2016, at 13:08, Lu Heng <h.lu@anytimechinese.com> wrote:
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On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Matthias Šubik <matthias.subik@ucnd.at> wrote:
Hello,
On 19.02.2016, at 12:45, Lu Heng <h.lu@anytimechinese.com> wrote:
With overwhelming mail traffic for past few days, I just realise one thing that I'd like to share with fellow colleagues.
Now we have 13,000 members, and keep growing at 2000 member a year, with all those amount of active discussion, maybe maillng is not such a good idea for such big group, maybe Forum … ... Let me know what everybody thinks.
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e-Mail needs discipline, or a client like gmail, that does the clean up for you (minus the privacy).
The problem is not the size, I would guess lists like the LKML have more members. It is the automatic subscription. On the other hand, the members won’t find this list.
1. not everyone has gmail client and not everyone want to change their mail solution just for the sake of single list.
This is correct, if you auto-subscribe the members main e-Mail to this list, you even mess up the mass e-Mail setup of those who happen to have a dedicated e-Mail solution for ML-discussions.
So maybe each members contact needs to be on here, but needs a good welcome package, including the do’s and don’ts on mailing lists. Seems to be forgotten knowledge these days.
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2. educate everyone behave(and in this case more like educate 13,000 companies) are near impossible job.
This is a question of moderation, not of the technology. I guess the original idea was, to have a way to address all members, from RIPE, and from within the community of members.
3. Forums are more passive engagement then mailling list(in mailling list you ware almost forced to engage every message there at the time it posted unless you do quite a bit trick to your mail solution), while in the Fourm you may choice when you want to read it.
Or if you want to read at all. The Problem with the forum is: I would wonder if more than a few hundred readers would use it. As you said: “when you want to read it”. e-Mail is push, and it is therefor the medium of choice for bad news, or information the sender wants to get through, not the receiver wants to have “right now”.
4. Ripe now has more member than the other 4 RIR together combined, so it make sense to discuss issue in more organized way.
I second that. But it isn’t a technology / medium question. It is a social one. How do I reach out to 13000 members, with probably more languages combined compared to most other online communities? This is the real question which needs to be asked here. I need to ask all members to vote on a topic, for their opinion, etc. You can’t do that in a forum, unless the forum is backed by *hearthedrums* e-Mail notification. So how to deal with a list of autosubscribed members? moderation-only? I don’t know. What I do know for certain is, members need to interact with RIPE NCC, with the community, on abuse, IPv6 transition and probably other topics. As a LIR you can’t unsubscribe from being a member, and pretend change doesn’t happen. Matthias ps: I tried to pick up all the different topics covered in this thread. If I missed one, let me know.