not entirely sure what a 'ripe database proxy service' would be... but it sounds like one of those 'too much fucking info' things that once were in fashion when the internet was a bunch of dusty nerds... and the only threat was a bunch of scriptkiddies in poland. and now, its a hostile environment and any 'database' should be closed access only. as seriously, if people wanna harras your clients, or even worse (and wrongly: you) at least they should take the time and effort to get proper court orders... not just do a 'whois' on some database which should not even exist anymore due to the fact that its not compliant with ANY applicable privacy laws. -- MINISTRY OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS ================================================== Government House, One CyberBunker Avenue, RCB-31337, Republic CyberBunker. On Mon, 11 Mar 2013, Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 11/03/2013 14:27, Alex Le Heux wrote:
Are we seriously having a multi-month discussion involving numerous emails from the CEO of the RIPE NCC about a service that has *four* active users?
If this were a commercial organisation and if it were my choice, I would pull the plug tomorrow. Actually, I would have pulled it years ago because I have a strong dislike for underused fossils, particularly those which actively cost time and resources to maintain. But it's not a commercial organisation - it's a monopoly whose purpose is to serve a bunch of people what they want to be served on the basis of general bottom-up consensus, and the rules are different.
Unfortunately, it seems there was a top-down cockup which spilled into nanog-l and caused a small amount of froth to fly. When this happens, it's sensible to put your hand up and confess that yes, there was a cockup and there were no bad intentions and that as a matter of good will to the community, whatever was done would be undone. Otherwise, it will be remembered years later that the RIPE NCC did all of this mean, bad and horrible stuff to the community once upon a time and they're a monopolistic power hungry bunch, not answerable to the community and yadda-yadda-yadda. Fortunately, this reaction is as avoidable as it is predictable.
The RIPE NCC have done the right thing by going back to their membership and asking them for consensus on a policy. I put forward a particular opinion on the basis that it's probably best right now to go back to the original configuration (i.e. contract/free in this case) and leave things settle down for a while so that people realise that the RIPE NCC is not the enemy.
Some time down the road, I'd probably be quite supportive of the idea of asking the RIPE NCC to approach the 4 existing users of the service and ask them if there was any other way that their requirements could be facilitated which involved lower overhead/cost. I.e. engagement with user community, followed by general consensus, followed by action which has broad support from constituency.
Otherwise I agree that this is a storm in a teacup which merits only a tiny fraction of the amount of attention it's getting.
How are you enjoying consensus from the other side, then? :-D
Nick
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