Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
The product that the customer buys of the LIR should be giving more than 50 EUR/year revenue, if not, you might not be in business for long.
LIRS are NOT isps!
Not every LIR is an ISP, a lot of them are. If you assign PI to somebody else, you have a provider/enduser relationship. That makes you a service provider of some sort. Be it internet, content or hosting.
the "product" bought from a LIR is the registration of IP space, usually at at one-time single payment that covered the increase in the billing score for 2 years if applicable and the administrative work.
there are no "services" or "products" a LIR normally sells.
You have to have a contractual relationship with the enduser that has PI now. You know that, right ?
and there also is no question of "circumventing ripe membership fees" as those only apply to LIRs (that is, people willing to register IP space for others).
Or entities, that don't want to deal with a LIR.
the fact that -most- LIRs are part of an ISP or even some ASPs that fell for ripes jedi-mind-trick and became a LIR themselves, doesnt mean they HAVE to be part of an ISP.
There are very few LIRs, that aren't providing some commercial product. And even then 50 EUR/year is compared to the money they probably pay for connectivity: near to nothing. Anyhow, this whole matter was also already raised at the GM. Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen -- Airwire - Ag Nascadh Pobail an Iarthair http://www.airwire.ie Phone: 091-865 968